What's the point in the Reds even playing baseball if Tony Cingrani isn't pitching?
What's the point in the Reds even playing baseball if Tony Cingrani isn't pitching?
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coachpipe (05-03-2013)
Agreed. It pressures the player in question and every mistake made will be scrutinized a lot more than it should be. Everytime Stubbs struck out last year was debated and argued all over the internet, tv, and radio. People love the new guy especially when the old one is not performing and the new one is.
Last year we were calling for Stubbs' head after every strikeout. I sort of felt bad for the guy. I know it is hard to come out of a slump, but the added pressure of knowing everyone wants you gone makes it a lot harder.
In fact, people were calling for Billy to be called up and start right away. Now, we have Choo and the Billy talk has significantly diminished.
When Cueto is ready to come back, Leake is going to have to throw a no hitter or someting because a lot of fans are going to be calling for Cingrani to stay. Every hit and run that Leake gives up will be overly criticized. Leake does add some offense with his ability to hit the ball and I think that makes him a good candidate for a long reliever out of the 'pen. I say that we release Parra or Simon to make room for Leake to go to the 'pen.
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CesarGeronimo (05-03-2013)
[ItTE=Tom Servo;2846641]What's the point in the Reds even playing baseball if Tony Cingrani isn't pitching?[/QUOTE]
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But look at it from Leake's point of view.
If I'm Leake and I'm asked to be demoted, why would I accept and risk being stranded down there all year?
Leake really has not been that bad. 2 of his 5 starts have been good.
His overall track record for a 5th starter has been great over his career.
He's a major league pitcher, no denying that.
Why in the world would he want to risk spending the rest of the year in Louisville, hoping someone gets hurt or hoping Cingrani implodes? Leake was shuttled to the minors and moved to the bullpen when he was the younger guy.. no why should he accomodate the younger Cingrani?
You mention the desire to be on a winning team, but the Reds left Leake off the playoff roster last year, and if everyone is healthy, he may get left off again by the same logic as last season..
If I was Leake, I'd welcome going to Miami. He becomes their #2 or #3, builds up his service time and then he can become a FA in 3 years (I think that's right, but the point is, he doesn't delay FA by a year). Why damage his resume by being sent to Louisville?
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Looks like Cingrani is going to get some more starts
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Old school 1983 (05-05-2013)
CesarGeronimo (05-03-2013),Tom Servo (05-03-2013)
Please stop catching Corky Miller with Cingrani. I saw him set up twice for fastballs down the middle of the plate to Soriano. Cingrani hit Miller's mitt both times with sniper precision.....yet both pitches went for home runs. After the first HR I couldn't believe Corky did it again.
Last edited by DocRed; 05-05-2013 at 04:37 AM.
I was actually impressed with Cingrani yesterday. He clearly didn't have his good stuff, his location was off and his breaking pitch was sloppy. But he battled, and kept the Reds in the game. He displayed a very high TWTW stat
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So does Cingrani know how to throw anything other than a fastball? I mean his breaking stuff looked pretty awful.
An while he has explosive deception, speed wise, 94-96 is still major league hitting speed. If he was topping 99-100, than that's another story.
But this dude really needs to develop a full repetoire, other than fastball, fastball, fastball, fastball, fastball, fastball, crappy breaking pitch, fastball, fastball
Good post, and I agree.
I (we) don't know if Cingrani is/is not going to sustain what he has done to date. The good, or bad, news (depending on how one looks at it) is that it appears, with Johnny's set back, we're probably going to get to see this kid pitch (IMO) well into June at least.
So there really is no dire need (rush) to have to make some sort of decision on this kid ... especially where it involves Leake.... when we don't have to. Lets just sit back, observe, wait and see.
The problem with a lot of fans though (not all), is that their responses are based far more on "spur of the moment" emotion more then anything else. Pretty superficial IMO. I don't say that to be arrogant, or some sort of know-it-all; but I've come to realize there are two types of fans. Both obviously "follow" baseball. But those fans, like those that participate on forums like these, love to get involved in discussions, take it a step further because they "dig" a little deeper, more in-depth, as far as oversight/analysis goes. We "live" for baseball. It's a passion (obsession), in comparison to the "casual" fan.
As for the media? They're like movie critics. I could care less. They earn their pay being controversial and trying to stir things up.
Last edited by GAC; 05-05-2013 at 06:44 AM.
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