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    Trade idea for LF

    I'm not crazy about this trade idea, but I like some aspects of it.

    Reds trade Chris Heisey and a prospect to San Diego for Chris Denorfia.

    Denorfia makes $2M in 2013 and $2.25M in 2014. FA in 2015.

    We have a thread debating batting Cozart second because of his career .283 OBP and overall lack of hitting.

    Denorfia has a career .345 OBP, .283 batting average, and .762 OPS. He's righthanded and could bat second, maintaining Dusty's LH (Choo), RH (Denorfia), LH (Votto), RH (BP), etc. You could still interchange Paul occasionally. I believe Heisey is arbitration eligible again next season and he almost never walks.

    Improvement? Could be in terms of getting on base.

    You do lose power off the bench. But I think it helps the starting offense.

    It's really a trade of potential power (Heisey) for more hitting and on-base stability.

    What do you think?
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    Re: Trade idea for LF

    Denorfia 2.0 for The OD (Original Deno)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Denorfia 2.0 for The OD (Original Deno)?
    Denorfia is Randy Winn 2.0
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    I would definitely do it, why would San Diego though?
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I would definitely do it, why would San Diego though?
    Because they're going nowhere. Denorfia is 32. I believe Heisey is 28 or 29.

    Padres in last place and will be most of the season.
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    Re: Trade idea for LF

    I like it better if its Heisey for Deno straight up. Heisey is much younger, with more pop in his bat, no prospect is needed, IMO.

    Deno was one of my favorites, never got a decent shot here. Has turned out to be an excellent 4th OF. Denorfia is not a starter on a contending team.

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    San Diego isn't going to give away a cheap, major league calibre starting position player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    San Diego isn't going to give away a cheap, major league calibre starting position player.
    Right. Which means they should have no problem trading Denorfia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Right. Which means they should have no problem trading Denorfia.
    .800+ career OPS away from PETCO. .792 OPS vs RHP away from PETCO. At least average OF defense.

    Sounds like a major league starter to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Right. Which means they should have no problem trading Denorfia.
    Denorfia has been an above average bat and glove as a major leager while largely spending his career in pitchers parks. He's also cheap.

    He's the least of the Padres' concerns because he's part of their solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Denorfia has been an above average bat and glove as a major leager while largely spending his career in pitchers parks. He's also cheap.

    He's the least of the Padres' concerns because he's part of their solution.
    He has been with the Padres for three plus seasons and has never cracked the starting lineup. He has been unable to beat out Tony Gwynn jr., Scott Hairtson, a slumping Ryan Ludwick, Will Venable, and Cameron Maybin.

    He's a nice 4th outfielder whose 32 and makes $4.25M over the next two seasons. That's not cheap. That's full market value for a backup.

    The solution to the Padres's problems is young talent that can start, not old bench players, no matter how good they are. There is no way that Denorfia is in the Padres long term plans. There is no reason for the Padres to turn down any offer for him that brings them back any type of prospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He has been with the Padres for three plus seasons and has never cracked the starting lineup. He has been unable to beat out Tony Gwynn jr., Scott Hairtson, a slumping Ryan Ludwick, Will Venable, and Cameron Maybin.

    He's a nice 4th outfielder whose 32 and makes $4.25M over the next two seasons. That's not cheap. That's full market value for a backup.

    The solution to the Padres's problems is young talent that can start, not old bench players, no matter how good they are. There is no way that Denorfia is in the Padres long term plans. There is no reason for the Padres to turn down any offer for him that brings them back any type of prospect.
    Agree, Deno probably isn't in the long term plans of the Padres.

    But he's a nice ballplayer and I don't see them giving him away. They have to field a representative team.

    It would probably take a pretty good prospect to get Deno, not a top prospect, but a pretty good one along, perhaps, with a more secondary prospect.

    It's possible by the trade deadline in late July they will be in fire sale mode and you might get Deno cheaper. Of course, by then, the Reds may have set the world's record for getting 1-hit in a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He has been with the Padres for three plus seasons and has never cracked the starting lineup. He has been unable to beat out Tony Gwynn jr., Scott Hairtson, a slumping Ryan Ludwick, Will Venable, and Cameron Maybin.

    He's a nice 4th outfielder whose 32 and makes $4.25M over the next two seasons. That's not cheap. That's full market value for a backup.

    The solution to the Padres's problems is young talent that can start, not old bench players, no matter how good they are. There is no way that Denorfia is in the Padres long term plans. There is no reason for the Padres to turn down any offer for him that brings them back any type of prospect.
    There is no way the Padres give him away.
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    Re: Trade idea for LF

    Denorfia is a good idea, it is discussed extensively in the LF thread. Padres would want quite a bit in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Denorfia is a good idea, it is discussed extensively in the LF thread. Padres would want quite a bit in return.
    Why would they want much in return?

    They finish last with or without him, he's not part of the future, he's expensive for a bench player, and he's not stating for any contending team. He's a fourth outfielder who can be part of a platoon.

    I doubt they want Heisey, but better players have been traded for a couple of C level prospects.
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