"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
How is that valuable for a team that is guaranteed to finish in last place this year?
He doesn't sell tickets.
He doesn't help them win a division.
He doesn't help them rebuild for the future.
He doesn't even help them win games. At best he doesn't help them lose games.
He has zero value to a team like the Padres.
Exactly what value to do you see him bring?
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"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
That has zero value for a team that is battling the Astros and Marlins for the worst team in baseball.
His trade value is determined by two factors:
1. How does he help the team he is currently on?
2. What are other teams willing to offer for him?
When 2 is greater than 1, you trade the player.
I think it's clear that 2 is greater than 1 for the Padres here if the Reds offered a minor league bullpen arm or an equal prospect.
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Sorry, you're completely missing the point. He helps the team by being an actual legitimate player that is cheap and capable of playing multiple positions.
Since you have repeatedly argued that he has no trade value, the absolute last thing the padres should do is trade him, cough, give him away. And trading a legitimate major league hitter who plays plus defense for a minor league bullpen arm is the last thing that a rebuilding team should do. it makes little sense. But i get why one might argue that math works for the Reds.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
At the deadline, when most of the Padres' home schedule has passed and the fanbase has moved on to next year, the Chargers or something else, the cost of a guy like Denorfia will go down to a middling prospect or two (some one with actual future potential, say Guillon or some one of that ilk, not some career minor leaguer) but there isn't a reason for them to deal him now unless a team would pay more than that. I'm sure if the Reds would put a guy like Corcino on the table, they could get a guy like Deno, but short of overpaying, why wouldn't the Padres just wait?
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
You are just repeating yourself without adding any additional information or analysis.
I have argued that a 32 year old player, no matter how good, has zero value on a team like the Padres. So the answer to #1 is that he has Zero value to his current team. You need to explain to me how he has any real value to the Padres playing for them right now.
He can still have value based on what other teams are willing to offer for him. I don't see any other team offering anything for him. So if the Reds offered something of value to the Padres, no matter how small, it would be wise for the Padres to take in return for Denorfia.
Let's put it another way.
If Michael Young played for the Padres, he would have zero value to them, for the same reasons why Denorfia has zero value for them, even though he is much better and more valuable player than Denorfia. He doesn't sell tickets. He doesn't help them win a division. He doesn't help them rebuild for the future.
However, the answer to the second question is different for Young than it is for Denorfia. Quite a few teams would be willing to offer something substantial for him, so in order to convince the Padres (hypothetically) to trade him him to the Reds, the Reds would have to beat all other offers. It would take a significant prospect or collection of prospects to get him.
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I'm pretty sure if the Padres line-up started running late 20's career minor leaguers out there in place of bonafide big leaguers, the fanbase who have already paid for tickets would notice.
The point is, if all the pads could get is some suspect minor leaguer with no hint of ptential, why would they trade him now? Why not wait? See if some team suffers injuries and is willing to pay more. The only reason for them to move him now is if some team pays more now than they could get later.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
If the Padres traded Denorfia, he would be replaced by Cameron Maybin. I don't think anyone would notice, nor care.
The Reds did suffer a big injury and should be willing to pay about what Denorfia would get at the trade deadline right now. No team is going to ever offer more than some C level prospects for Denorfia. He's Chris Denorfia.
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And your assertion is wrong, repeatedly.
And again, this is wrong.
The padres are a major league baseball team. Denorfia is a legitimate major league caliber position player. He also gives them a good deal of roster flexibility due to his versatility.
Again, this is a wrong conclusion.
You can repeat yourself however way you want but it's still repeating yourself without adding any additional analysis or information.
Your argument is that the Padres should be willing to make themselves worse just 'cuz. It's a weird argument.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
You still haven't explained why I'm wrong, so I'll try to explain it another way.
I agree with Billy Beane. Either you're contending or you're rebuilding. It makes no sense to be anything inbetween. The Padres clearly should've rebuilding. Keeping Denorfia would be continuing to be inbetween.
And I'm not saying the Padres should be willing to make themselves worse just because. They should take a commodity that currently has zero value to them and turn it into one that does.
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Since when do teams trade quality players for no reason?
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