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    OF trade idea

    I know it's premature, but if cingrani continues his success would the Reds consider moving a starter for outfield help? I know the Rockies started hot but the idea of trading for dexter fowler was around this winter. They were looking for top pitching for him. Would anyone do bailey or maybe even cueto for the guy? He'd give the reds legit centerfield defense a legit two hitter and an insurance policy if choo could not be signed after the season. Honestly I would consider cueto straight up. He's great but I think talentwise he's maxed out where I see bailey getting better and better. Any thoughts? I know I'm going to get a few I'm crazies and this isn't a video game but I think I'd rather talk about something intriguing than arguing about a hypothetical trade for career backup denorfia.

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    Re: OF trade idea

    I'm assuming that a package with leake was offered this off season so I'm not considering it.

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    I wouldn't trade cueto for fowler, it would help offensively, but that leaves u with no depth on pitching. I probably wouldn't trade cueto, Latos or bailey right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincyredway View Post
    I wouldn't trade cueto for fowler, it would help offensively, but that leaves u with no depth on pitching. I probably wouldn't trade cueto, Latos or bailey right now.
    I wouldn't "want" (like jumping out of my shoes at the proposal) to but if the 2 spot continues to be dead and choos defense remains suspect I may consider it. I think it'd be a slight overpay for the reds.

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    I wonder if the reds would consider going after Jose Bautista, I don't think the jays will hang in there in the east, and he may b available. Wonder what it would take to get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincyredway View Post
    I wonder if the reds would consider going after Jose Bautista, I don't think the jays will hang in there in the east, and he may b available. Wonder what it would take to get him.
    Part of me says his best years are behind him. But if the deal was right I'd do it but I don't think I'd give any of our top three starters. Another guy that could be a fit is rios from the white sox. Good power. Good obp. Low K

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    Re: OF trade idea

    pitching wins over offense every time...how many big slugging clubs win it? How many great pitching but offensively challenged clubs have? There are loads of examples of the latter...none I can remenber of the first. Every good hitting team that has won had at least solid pitching if not great. Even the BRM staffs were vastly underrated in their day and were deep in decent quality arms. Trade Leake and lose a starter for a month and who pitches? Galarraga? A Corcino who looks over matched right now? And next year when Arroyo is gone? Only a really unbalanced deal in the Reds favor would make me trade Leake.
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    Re: OF trade idea

    I agree with RLJ...Pitching wins championships. Losing a Cueto, Latos, Bailey would hurt worse than gaining a run producing outfielder would help.

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    Re: OF trade idea

    I agree pitching wins over offense the majority of the time. The BRM is a poor example to the contrary bc their pitching was underrated as previously stated. The HUGE qualifier in this proposal would be the if cingrani is for real part and not the second coming of Jack Armstrong. If he still looks effective a few times through the league I'd start considering. As far as I see with our pitching latos and bailey are still improving on their potential whereas cueto is tapped out on his. He'll be great for a few more years but I believe bailey latos cingrani and even leake will continue to improve and it could be argued that latos is and bailey (the two guys id lock up) is close to ace level cueto right now. As far as losing arroyo next year, lets worry about that next year. We have an entire season for prospects to step up (I think corcino will get right he's been rushed up the system). Plus we'd have an entire offseason to bring in other guys and at the trade deadline this year too. Losing cueto would hurt but I think IF cingrani can be for real, then our rotation wouldn't lose much of what it is now and may actually improve as a group as the young pitchers improve. Plus you'd gain an offensive piece that'd improve that side as well. Plus fowlers defense and speed are superior to choos in center and probably superior to Hamilton (in ability not speed) so the overall defensive improvement would help the team as well.

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    Re: OF trade idea

    I will say this OS....Fowler would make me think long and hard about it...he is one of the few reasonable targets that would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    I will say this OS....Fowler would make me think long and hard about it...he is one of the few reasonable targets that would.
    He'd bring a ton to this team now as a viable two hole hitter and superior defender in center as well as adding speed. He'd also bring a ton to this team over the off season and next year. He'd make resigning choo less of a priority and that money could be used in the rotation to extend a guy or to replace cueto who would be traded. Plus he'd act as an insurance policy if Bham is still not ready at that point too. If he is slide fowler to left use ludwick as right handed bench power or platoon with Hamilton for one of the fastest outfiekds in recent memory. (fowler to center on those days).

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    Re: OF trade idea

    Usually, I don't like the idea of trading starting pitching depth. But Walt has done a pretty good job of increasing the depth in that area.

    With the emergence of Cingrani, and the solid showing from Galarraga at Louisville.........and you could even jump to double AA and see Sharky Rogers sub-2.00 e.r.a........and even minor league journeyman Greg Reynolds and Villareal are having okay years at triple A.

    And in an emergency, Hoover spent most of his minor league career in the Braves organization as a starter. LeCure could pinch-start if needed.

    I'm less worried that trading Leake would hurt this team.

    I'm also not so sure Hamilton arrives in the majors PERMANENTLY, if ever, before 2015.

    I'm not sure what it would take to get Fowler, but I'd definitely inquire.
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    Re: OF trade idea

    In my baseball dream world I'd like to think that Frazier leake and a Cisco/Romano level prospect could land fowler but the Rockies always want top price for their players. At that point the reds could go with an Hrod hannahan platoon at third or maybe go after a Polanco or Michael You g if he's not too expensive.
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    Reds won't trade Frazier. He is a clubhouse favorite by everyone in that clubhouse. One of the most liked and enjoyable guys on the team. The other players would be beyond upset if they traded Todd.
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    Re: OF trade idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Reds won't trade Frazier. He is a clubhouse favorite by everyone in that clubhouse. One of the most liked and enjoyable guys on the team. The other players would be beyond upset if they traded Todd.
    Sometimes you gotta get over it to make the team better. And I know he's a delightful guy and I love his personality but if his average hovers in the .240 range with average defense idk if he'd be worth all that much as a starter on the team unless he's hitting 45 homers and driving in 100. This isn't a knock on you you're a great contributer here but on reds fans in general. We tend to fall in love with guys and make them out to be more than they really are in our heads when it's time to let go to make the team better. Casey, freel, Dunn (more of a love hate thing), Larkin in his later years, and more recently the Hanigan/mes argument. I think the pitching of late kinda proves that while he had an impact, it wasn't some huge mystical thing we thought it was.

    If Frazier hovers around .240 and isn't hugely productive and offers average D at best, I think the personality loss would be offset with talent if a guy like fowler was the return.
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