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    How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    All right ... I'll just throw this out. At what point do the Reds begin to look for an upgrade at SS?

    We all know that Cozart is a better than average defender. But slick-fielding, no-hit shortstops are a dime a dozen. He has a little pop and might give you 12-15 HR's a season, but hitting a HR once every two or three weeks is the extent of his offense.

    Wouldn't it be better to look for a better-than-average fielding SS, who can give you an OBP of .325-.335, even if you lose a little power from the position?

    I know SS is supposed to be a defensive position first, and any offense is gravy, but I can't help but think the Reds could easily upgrade the position and get as good or better defense, and better offense, as well.

    Perhaps Cozart might be better suited as a utility infielder.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    I'm fine with Cozart as long as they ask him to:

    1. Hit 8th
    2. Cut down on his Ks

    The only problem is as long as Dusty is here I'm pretty sure they will do neither.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    He has a .191 BABIP. Guys who only strike out 12% of the time don't hit .200. His LD% is really low too, so it's not like he's been "unlucky", hitting liners right at guys. But it does likely mean that he's been experiencing a bad stretch of performance that is unlikely to continue. He's still hitting for power and he's never walked much, so it's basically singles that are missing. And he's not measurably changed his approach in a way that should materially affect his results.

    So to answer your question directly, particularly considering our lack of other attractive options, I'm not even worrying about it until the ASB. I am, however, batting him 8th where he belongs. Even when he's going "right" he doesn't belong higher than 7th.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    SS is by far the hardest position to fill from outside the organization, he is in for the long haul this year

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Considering we traded his best, and realistically only, backup...he gets as much as he needs.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    I'm fine with Cozart as long as they ask him to:

    1. Hit 8th
    2. Cut down on his Ks

    The only problem is as long as Dusty is here I'm pretty sure they will do neither.
    He's got the 17th lowest K% of the 94 qualified NL hitters and the lowest among Reds regulars. Strikeouts are not his problem.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Hopefully as much as Stubbs got.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    He's got the 17th lowest K% of the 94 qualified NL hitters and the lowest among Reds regulars. Strikeouts are not his problem.
    I beg to differ. He K'd 113 times last year and drew only 31 walks.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    I'm a big Cozart fan. I love the way he plays SS. I like low error shortstops like him, and his range isn't bad either.

    But if he doesn't hit better, I agree, he become a pretty ordinary player and the Reds will have to consider alternatives.

    Too early to go there right now.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to look for a better-than-average fielding SS, who can give you an OBP of .325-.335, even if you lose a little power from the position?
    Good luck finding a team willing to trade a shortstop like that.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    I beg to differ. He K'd 113 times last year and drew only 31 walks.
    That doesn't mean he k'd too much last year. It means he could've walked more. You're focusing on the wrong stat.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to look for a better-than-average fielding SS, who can give you an OBP of .325-.335, even if you lose a little power from the position?
    Best of luck to you. Know how many shortstops in 2012 fit that criteria and played 100 games or more? Three. And their names are Elvis Andrus, Ian Desmond, and Jed Lowrie. Obviously throw Troy Tulowitzki in there, but he was hurt. Even guys like Jose Reyes have UZR/150 ratings in the negative numbers.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    I beg to differ. He K'd 113 times last year and drew only 31 walks.
    Well, his strikeout rate last year isn't making outs tomorrow. So if your advice is strikeout less, he's already following it. Your advice doesn't seem to be working.

    As for the walks, I'd love for him to walk more often. No disagreement there.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    all year

    Question I have is whether they'd consider moving Hamilton back to SS. He's not hitting enough to get out of AAA anytime soon. He may be there awhile -- and if so, they'd have time to reintroduce him to the infield.

    This assumes they intend to make a legitimate run at re-signing Choo.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    question is---who ya gonna get?? If hte Blue Jays call up and offer Reyes plus cash for Cazart, we'll do it....but that aint gonna happen. You want a SS with pop, it'll cost you in salary and trade pieces. Reds wont be willing to part with either...

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