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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    This discussion baffles me. He is definitrly way way down in BABIP which indicates quite a correction is in store. He has GG defense. He has some pop in his bat. Go ahead and look for better but any SS who is better is really gonna cost dearly. BTW his Ks are NOT the problem. Looking at Cozart is looking at the wrong position for an upgrade. Then Dusty bats him 2d which increases the perception he needs to be replaced. Better LF production..more power from Joey...and either Bruce or Frazier cracking their slump. This offense struggles when both Todd and Jay are cold because tend to extreme slumps. I wish Dusty would give em both a day or two to just sit.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Cozart is more Leo Cardenas than Larkin and it will never change.

    4000 ab's for Leo as a Reds

    .261/.313/.377/.690

    Cozart as a Red

    .243/.280/.395/.676

    MLB SS 2010-2012

    .259/.314/.375/.689

    Sometimes I ponder if Reds fans watch any other baseball aside for the Reds

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    I am surprised Cozart has run so little. He only has four stolen bases in as many attempts. Seems like they are under-utilizing him in that area.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Cozart is more Leo Cardenas than Larkin and it will never change.

    4000 ab's for Leo as a Reds

    .261/.313/.377/.690

    Cozart as a Red

    .243/.280/.395/.676

    MLB SS 2010-2012

    .259/.314/.375/.689

    Sometimes I ponder if Reds fans watch any other baseball aside for the Reds
    It's a fair point. However, Cardenas played in a much different offensive era. He also is a five-time all-star. I'd be more than happy to have Cozart reach that number.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Surprised Cozart's career OBP is in the .280 range. As exposed as he was last year near the top of the lineup, it may be time at some point this season to peg him down the order permanently. For now, he's most comfortable in the 2 hole he says, so I keep him there for a little while.

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    How do you ask someone to strike out less? If he could do that, he would. You can't just snap your fingers and say don't do that. Baseball is hard.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    It's a fair point. However, Cardenas played in a much different offensive era. He also is a five-time all-star. I'd be more than happy to have Cozart reach that number.
    Leo was a high slugging low ob% guy though, the Reds have had 6 SS season with 100 K's and Leo has 3 of them

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    STRIKEOUTS                    YEAR     SO       SO     
    1    Zack Cozart              2012      113      113   
    2    Felipe Lopez             2005      111      111   
    3    Leo Cardenas             1964      110      110   
    4    Dave Concepcion          1980      107      107   
    5    Leo Cardenas             1963      101      101   
    6    Leo Cardenas             1965      100      100

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    The chances of us finding a SS this year who is better than Cozart?

    About zero.

    Cozart is it for this year.

    Once his BABIP stabilizes, he'll be fine.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    He has a .191 BABIP. Guys who only strike out 12% of the time don't hit .200.
    Do we have data regarding pop-out rate?
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Cozart's Leo Cardenas if he can sustain his levels for 4000 AB's. Everything is in that "if."

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Cozart is more Leo Cardenas than Larkin and it will never change.

    4000 ab's for Leo as a Reds

    .261/.313/.377/.690

    Cozart as a Red

    .243/.280/.395/.676

    MLB SS 2010-2012

    .259/.314/.375/.689

    Sometimes I ponder if Reds fans watch any other baseball aside for the Reds
    Cardenas is an excellent comp and he was a heckuva SS defensively too. His numbers came during one baseball's periodic "pitching dominated" eras so I'd take him over Cozart giving him a bit of an edge. I see the same pitching era just beginning so it makes the comp even more striking.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Nick Green anyone? He was dfa'd by the marlins.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    I've never thought of Cozart as the longterm, penciled in SS for the Reds. That said, the only problem I have with him is that he is batting 2nd and that's obviously something he doesn't control.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by gilpdawg View Post
    How do you ask someone to strike out less? If he could do that, he would. You can't just snap your fingers and say don't do that. Baseball is hard.

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    --You ask him not to swing for the fences every single time he comes to the plate, regardless of the circumstances.

    --You ask him to give himself up and learn to go to right field to advance the runner if you intend to leave him in the 2 hole. (That way you don't have to bunt him when the first batter of the game reaches, as Choo did the other day.)

    --You ask him to consider emulating Votto -- one of the few situational hitters in the organization -- who chokes up and shortens his stroke with 2 strikes.

    --I rarely agree with Dusty. But I think it was after the 2nd game of the St. Louis series that he said the entire team needs to cut down on strikeouts and put the ball in play.

    I agree with you that baseball is hard. But you make it harder for yourself when you go up there trying to hit it 500 feet regardless of the score or count.

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    You always want to hit the ball hard. Unless you are bunting. I don't really believe professional hitters really "swing for the fence." They just want to hit it hard.

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