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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Cozart had the 12th best OPS of all SS who played the position and went to the plate enough to qualify in 2012. Three of the guys ahead of him were Hanley Ramirez, Starlin Castro and Johnny Peralta. Three guys I wouldn't have as my SS were I king. Those three guys are 3B or maybe CF playing a position they really can't play very well.

    I know Cozart doesn't hit much, is mostly a lefty killer and has a low OBP, but there just aren't many SS who can do the job and hit as well. As guys like that go, Cozart is better than a whole lot of other options. I don't like him hitting second, but I don't think you'll find many better SS around. Probably can count on one hand guys in the NL who are better. If Ludwick doesn't get hurt, Phillips is hitting second and no one is railing against Cozart. Dusty just doesn't believe in moving everyone in the order up and letting his best hitters get the most PAs while his weaker hitters sit at the bottom of the order. As a result, we get a revolving door of Heisey, Cozart, Izturis, and other weak hitters filling the spot between Choo and Votto.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    I believe the answer to this is, enough rope to climb out of the hole he is in. OR, enough to hang himself, whichever happens first.

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    It would help matters if he wasn't asked to bat second.

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    Lots and lots of it. There are no other options. Just please get him out of the #2 spot.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Cozart had four homers before he hurt his finger bunting on April 20. He hasn't had an extra base hit since.

    He's become a ground ball machine, which is not like him. Line drive rate worst among major league qualified hitters entering today (pitchers excluded).

    I'm guessing Cozart isn't 100%.

    He's not a great hitter, but he's better than this.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Sure, I'd love a SS that is a GGer and can also hit. The only problem is that a Larkin only comes around every so often (like Halley's comet). In between, you're stuck with guys like McMillan, Cardenas, Cozart, and company.

    You look at the history of who are considered the best all-time SS's in Red's history and you didn't get both for the most part. And that is indicative of MLB (around the league) too. Those are rare gems that are found only so often.

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    I want a good defender up the middle. If he can hit, then consider that a plus.

    I grew up with Cardenas and Concepcion. IMO, as far as Red's SS's go, there was no better DEFENDER then Davey. Concepcion was a finesse player, making difficult plays seem effortless. And he wasn't no slouch with the bat either, though that wasn't his strong point.

    And he was not only a class act, but also mentored his replacement (Larkin).

    Why this nine-time All-Star, five-time Gold Glove winner at shortstop, and one of the main cogs of the BRM, whose numbers at SS are comparable to other SS's in the HOF, isn't in baseball's HOF is a HUGE injustice IMO. Ozzie Smith was a phenomenal SS as a defender, but take a look at his career offensive numbers.... .262 BA .337 OB% .328 SLG% .666 OPS ..... then take a look at Davey's line ..... .267 BA .322 OB% .357 SLG% .679 OPS. And Davey had better power (101 Hrs to Smith's 28)

    As for Cozart? He's a quality defender, which is important. And the only reason he's hitting back up in the batting order right now is because of the rash of injuries. Who else is Baker going to put there right now to fill that slot?
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    As for Cozart? He's a quality defender, which is important. And the only reason he's hitting back up in the batting order right now is because of the rash of injuries. Who else is Baker going to put there right now to fill that slot?
    Phillips. Bruce. Frazier. Paul. Mesoraco.

    All are better options to bat 2nd than Cozart.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    I thought Cozart couldn't hit 2nd? Looked just fine knocking in Choo there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    I thought Cozart couldn't hit 2nd? Looked just fine knocking in Choo there.
    One AB and he's your #2? Hope he starts hitting of course...but i would not count on him being consistent.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Cozart is far from this team's problem. His production is typical (or better) for an every day SS. HIs spot in the order is another issue.
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    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    One AB and he's your #2? Hope he starts hitting of course...but i would not count on him being consistent.
    Same could be said about any player in the league.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    One AB and he's your #2? Hope he starts hitting of course...but i would not count on him being consistent.
    The sarcasm detection on this board is fairly embarrassing sometimes.

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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Cozart is far from this team's problem. His production is typical (or better) for an every day SS. HIs spot in the order is another issue.
    Yep. While I hope Cozart hits better, it isn't his fault Dusty bats him second in the order.
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    Re: How Much More Rope Do You Give Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Sure, I'd love a SS that is a GGer and can also hit. The only problem is that a Larkin only comes around every so often (like Halley's comet). In between, you're stuck with guys like McMillan, Cardenas, Cozart, and company.

    You look at the history of who are considered the best all-time SS's in Red's history and you didn't get both for the most part. And that is indicative of MLB (around the league) too. Those are rare gems that are found only so often.

    http://shawns.blogspot.com/2012/12/t...tstops-of.html

    I want a good defender up the middle. If he can hit, then consider that a plus.

    I grew up with Cardenas and Concepcion. IMO, as far as Red's SS's go, there was no better DEFENDER then Davey. Concepcion was a finesse player, making difficult plays seem effortless. And he wasn't no slouch with the bat either, though that wasn't his strong point.

    And he was not only a class act, but also mentored his replacement (Larkin).

    Why this nine-time All-Star, five-time Gold Glove winner at shortstop, and one of the main cogs of the BRM, whose numbers at SS are comparable to other SS's in the HOF, isn't in baseball's HOF is a HUGE injustice IMO. Ozzie Smith was a phenomenal SS as a defender, but take a look at his career offensive numbers.... .262 BA .337 OB% .328 SLG% .666 OPS ..... then take a look at Davey's line ..... .267 BA .322 OB% .357 SLG% .679 OPS. And Davey had better power (101 Hrs to Smith's 28)

    As for Cozart? He's a quality defender, which is important. And the only reason he's hitting back up in the batting order right now is because of the rash of injuries. Who else is Baker going to put there right now to fill that slot?
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    Cozart gets all the rope in Texas from me. We are lucky to have him.
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