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    If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Just hoping Walt could do more magic if possible

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    And the big question is, who would the Reds give up?
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    And the big question is, who would the Reds give up?
    Zach Stewart.
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    Is it possible that the Marlins got the better end of that trade? What a disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    Is it possible that the Marlins got the better end of that trade? What a disaster.
    Like someone pointed out, the Blue Jays DID pick up a bunch of guys from a team that lost 98 games last year. Weird how that's not working out now.
    Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Like someone pointed out, the Blue Jays DID pick up a bunch of guys from a team that lost 98 games last year. Weird how that's not working out now.
    The offense has a combined .262 BABIP. That isn't going to last. When it does correct itself, the offense is going to pick up big time. Not that it will matter if the starting pitching doesn't drastically improve. What a mess that rotation is right now.

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The offense has a combined .262 BABIP. That isn't going to last. When it does correct itself, the offense is going to pick up big time. Not that it will matter if the starting pitching doesn't drastically improve. What a mess that rotation is right now.
    The difference between a .262 BABIP and .290 right now is only about 18 additional hits, or barely .5 per game.

    That would account for close to half a run a game, but it's by far not their biggest problem.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    The difference between a .262 BABIP and .290 right now is only about 18 additional hits, or barely .5 per game.

    That would account for close to half a run a game, but it's by far not their biggest problem.
    Half a run per game is a huge difference. It would give us the best run differential in the league, and an expected record of 21-10.

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    In a word: no.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The offense has a combined .262 BABIP. That isn't going to last. When it does correct itself, the offense is going to pick up big time. Not that it will matter if the starting pitching doesn't drastically improve. What a mess that rotation is right now.
    I think they will get better too, but in historical terms, their playoff chances are already looking really slim.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-b...re-in-trouble/
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    I think they will get better too, but in historical terms, their playoff chances are already looking really slim.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-b...re-in-trouble/
    It is May 4th and they are 11 back.

    The 1995 Mariners were 11.5 back on August 24th and made the playoffs.

    There is plenty of time.

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It is May 4th and they are 11 back.

    The 1995 Mariners were 11.5 back on August 24th and made the playoffs.

    There is plenty of time.
    That's like saying based on Xavier Paul's one at-bat this year in which he hit a Grand Slam he should be an all-star. Talk about cherry-picking your data. One data point?

    Doug, surely you can acknowledge the Jays are in serious, serious, trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    That's like saying based on Xavier Paul's one at-bat this year in which he hit a Grand Slam he should be an all-star. Talk about cherry-picking your data. One data point?

    Doug, surely you can acknowledge the Jays are in serious, serious, trouble.
    Sure they are in trouble. But teams have come back from larger deficits in a whole lot less time.

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Sure they are in trouble. But teams have come back from larger deficits in a whole lot less time.
    That is totally true. But the odds are very slim if we looked at it statistically. Saying "x did it before" doesn't really say much.

    If I'm Toronto's GM, with deep regret, I am making plans on missing the playoffs this year. I'm not gonna let someone rip me off, but I am making decisions based on the belief they miss the playoffs. And you can do so without throwing in the towel right now...but a good GM needs to be realistic and weigh the odds on every move.

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    Re: If Toronto keeps losing.. Could the Reds see Bautista Time batting 4th??

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    That's like saying based on Xavier Paul's one at-bat this year in which he hit a Grand Slam he should be an all-star. Talk about cherry-picking your data. One data point?

    Doug, surely you can acknowledge the Jays are in serious, serious, trouble.
    You have absolutely missed the point, and embarrassing so.

    Even if you assume the BJ's cannot make the playoffs this year, doesn't mean they are one and done.

    If the Reds fall out of the race doesn't mean we trade assets which are ours for many years.


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