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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The whole Rays bench erupted in response to Hallion. Lots of things can be said about that incident but "there wasn't a shouting match" isn't one of them.
    The above is your opinion of the situation. You have no proof of when the bench started yelling nor can you show me a shouting match anywhere in the video except where we we see David Price throwing a fit on the way to the duhout & in the dugout. Not to mention that there is no audio, so you have no idea what was even said. Every "fact" you state is just conjecture on your part based on incomplete evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumstead View Post
    The above is your opinion of the situation. You have no proof of when the bench started yelling nor can you show me a shouting match anywhere in the video except where we we see David Price throwing a fit on the way to the duhout & in the dugout. Not to mention that there is no audio, so you have no idea what was even said. Every "fact" you state is just conjecture on your part based on incomplete evidence.
    The video simply does not support your version of the Hallion episode. Heck, let's pretend there was no video of the game. A player on the Rays bench was ejected in the fracus.

    You're objection about facts is not jiving with what we know happened.
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    This isn't really a case of a "diva" umpire but Angel Hernandez really blew a call last night in the A's- Indians game. Adam Rosales of the A's hit a game tying HR in the ninth that Hernandez called a double, ruling that it didn't clear the fence. It was a tough call, but what was bad is that Hernandez did not reverse the call even after reviewing it on instant replay, which clearly showed the ball hit in the stands on the fly and then bounced out. Announcers were saying Hernandez had blown another call on Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    This isn't really a case of a "diva" umpire but Angel Hernandez really blew a call last night in the A's- Indians game. Adam Rosales of the A's hit a game tying HR in the ninth that Hernandez called a double, ruling that it didn't clear the fence. It was a tough call, but what was bad is that Hernandez did not reverse the call even after reviewing it on instant replay, which clearly showed the ball hit in the stands on the fly and then bounced out. Announcers were saying Hernandez had blown another call on Monday.
    I could see missing it in live action. Absolutely no excuse to miss it after the replay. What is the point of even having replay if we are going to miss calls like this?

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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    This isn't really a case of a "diva" umpire but Angel Hernandez really blew a call last night in the A's- Indians game. Adam Rosales of the A's hit a game tying HR in the ninth that Hernandez called a double, ruling that it didn't clear the fence. It was a tough call, but what was bad is that Hernandez did not reverse the call even after reviewing it on instant replay, which clearly showed the ball hit in the stands on the fly and then bounced out. Announcers were saying Hernandez had blown another call on Monday.
    Hernandez is possibly rivaling Dave Pallone as the worst umpire I have ever seen at the MLB level. He's an embarrassment to all the other umpires in the big leagues.
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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    This isn't really a case of a "diva" umpire but Angel Hernandez really blew a call last night in the A's- Indians game. Adam Rosales of the A's hit a game tying HR in the ninth that Hernandez called a double, ruling that it didn't clear the fence. It was a tough call, but what was bad is that Hernandez did not reverse the call even after reviewing it on instant replay, which clearly showed the ball hit in the stands on the fly and then bounced out. Announcers were saying Hernandez had blown another call on Monday.
    How, exactly, does replay work? Does the guy that made the original call get final say on the replay call? Three umpires go into the replay area. Did all three fail to see it clear the fence on replay? And since Hernandez is not the crew chief (I believe). wouldn't the crew chief get final say? I am not sure why this is all falling on Hernandez. Even though I agree that the call was blown.
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    Hernandez's post-game comments were to the effect that "it wasn't conclusive on the replay we saw." It makes wonder me what kind of set-up they have back there -- a black-and-white tabletop Zenith? They should have the equipment to get this call right, if that's the issue.

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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysawarrior View Post
    I could see missing it in live action. Absolutely no excuse to miss it after the replay. What is the point of even having replay if we are going to miss calls like this?
    This is a perfect example of why I don't see the point in going into full replay mode....it is NOT going to take the human element out of the game.

    ~edit~ I phrased that poorly. People who gripe for full extra replay are using the argument "just get the call right"...no matter what system they use, the human element is always going to be the final say and no amount of replay is going to stop fans from complaining about umps and calls. Yeah, that's better.
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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    There should be people in a center somewhere to evaluate the replays. It would be done in 1 min as soon as the manager requests it. This umpire going under the hood routine is NFL 1990 stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith288 View Post
    There should be people in a center somewhere to evaluate the replays. It would be done in 1 min as soon as the manager requests it. This umpire going under the hood routine is NFL 1990 stuff...
    That probably would be the best method....but it STILL isn't going to eliminate missed calls. It's just not. The guy in that center somewhere could just as easily blow that call too.

    I just don't see it being worth slowing down the game to a crawl. Bad calls will happen, they'll even out over the long run. I'd rather we just let the umps call the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    That probably would be the best method....but it STILL isn't going to eliminate missed calls. It's just not. The guy in that center somewhere could just as easily blow that call too.

    I just don't see it being worth slowing down the game to a crawl. Bad calls will happen, they'll even out over the long run. I'd rather we just let the umps call the game.
    If I was the MLB, i'd rather the fans be mad at some faceless person in NY watching replays than the fans focus their ire on an umpire who has a reputation for blowing those calls.

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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    That's pretty much how the NHL works, and everyone just gets mad at "Toronto"...since that's where goal reviews are made. They're very hit or miss on getting things right. Or maybe it just seems that way as a Blue Jackets fan and the number of times we got screwed on overturns by Toronto this year.

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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    That probably would be the best method....but it STILL isn't going to eliminate missed calls. It's just not. The guy in that center somewhere could just as easily blow that call too.

    I just don't see it being worth slowing down the game to a crawl. Bad calls will happen, they'll even out over the long run. I'd rather we just let the umps call the game.
    The game already gets slowed down to a crawl now by the arguments.
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    Re: The "age" of diva umpires

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    The game already gets slowed down to a crawl now by the arguments.
    I actually mostly like the current replay system. However in this instance last night there was still an argument so it really slowed the game down.


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