Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 54

Thread: Cingrani and the bullpen

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    13,535

    Cingrani and the bullpen

    Ondrusek, Hoover, Simon, Parra are useful relievers, but without Marshall the Reds' front line of relief is a little thin.

    I'm not advocating bringing Cingrani up now. Repeat. I'm not advocating bringing Cingrani up now.

    But after some AAA time, if Marshall isn't back, or maybe even if he is --

    Isn't Cingrani the best choice to fill out the bullpen this year for the stretch drive?

    Not suggesting a full switch to the pen. He's a starter next year.

    But maybe winning this year is important too, and maybe after some time in AAA to work on secondary pitches -- say like July 1 -- Cingrani could make a big impact as a reliever on the Reds.

    Just for 2013.

  2. Likes:

    *BaseClogger* (05-26-2013), RedEye (05-26-2013), smixsell (05-26-2013)

  3. Turn Off Ads?
  4. #2
    Member hebroncougar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    2,219

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    I think he should come up now. But I know fans are going to scream Chapman part II. I want the Reds to go all the way this year.

  5. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    5,995

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Ondrusek, Hoover, Simon, Parra are useful relievers, but without Marshall the Reds' front line of relief is a little thin.

    I'm not advocating bringing Cingrani up now. Repeat. I'm not advocating bringing Cingrani up now.

    But after some AAA time, if Marshall isn't back, or maybe even if he is --

    Isn't Cingrani the best choice to fill out the bullpen this year for the stretch drive?

    Not suggesting a full switch to the pen. He's a starter next year.

    But maybe winning this year is important too, and maybe after some time in AAA to work on secondary pitches -- say like July 1 -- Cingrani could make a big impact as a reliever on the Reds.

    Just for 2013.

    Mike Flanagan
    Scott McGregor
    Orel
    Pedro
    They all did the bullpen thing before they became full time starters.
    They do not need him to start this year unless there is an injury.
    However....there is still time to get some useful LH to help the bullpen.

    I still DO NOT understand though why Chapman cannot pitch in 3 straight games....ever?
    Hoover would have been in the 8th.... even if Logan had been fine previously...and had 2 outs...he is liable to implode at anytime.

    As wacky as Vottomatic can be.....he did have a point as to why a team that has starters go into the 7th innings just about every game and usually go 7....has a bullpen that is this tired?

  6. Likes:

    remdog (05-26-2013)

  7. #4
    nothing more than a fan Always Red's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Cincy West
    Posts
    5,039

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    Mike Flanagan
    Scott McGregor
    Orel
    Pedro
    They all did the bullpen thing before they became full time starters.
    They do not need him to start this year unless there is an injury.
    However....there is still time to get some useful LH to help the bullpen.

    I still DO NOT understand though why Chapman cannot pitch in 3 straight games....ever?
    Hoover would have been in the 8th.... even if Logan had been fine previously...and had 2 outs...he is liable to implode at anytime.

    As wacky as Vottomatic can be.....he did have a point as to why a team that has starters go into the 7th innings just about every game and usually go 7....has a bullpen that is this tired?
    Yep, Don Gullett did it too.

  8. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    13,535

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    Mike Flanagan
    Scott McGregor
    Orel
    Pedro
    They all did the bullpen thing before they became full time starters.
    They do not need him to start this year unless there is an injury.
    However....there is still time to get some useful LH to help the bullpen.

    I still DO NOT understand though why Chapman cannot pitch in 3 straight games....ever?
    Hoover would have been in the 8th.... even if Logan had been fine previously...and had 2 outs...he is liable to implode at anytime.

    As wacky as Vottomatic can be.....he did have a point as to why a team that has starters go into the 7th innings just about every game and usually go 7....has a bullpen that is this tired?
    There may be time to get a useful LH to help the bullpen. But I think Cingrani can be more than useful. His K rate would work great in the bullpen against all kinds of hitting and he could pitch multiple innings.

    The point about a tired bullpen? Maybe it's because Dusty really trusts very few of these guys in big innings. Hoover is now 0-4. Ondrusek blows up once in a while. Parra is Parra. Simon is a long man. Lecure seems to need much rest.

    In thinking of how to help, Cingrani looks like a good short term answer to me.

  9. Likes:

    remdog (05-26-2013)

  10. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    5,995

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    There may be time to get a useful LH to help the bullpen. But I think Cingrani can be more than useful. His K rate would work great in the bullpen against all kinds of hitting and he could pitch multiple innings.

    The point about a tired bullpen? Maybe it's because Dusty really trusts very few of these guys in big innings. Hoover is now 0-4. Ondrusek blows up once in a while. Parra is Parra. Simon is a long man. Lecure seems to need much rest.

    In thinking of how to help, Cingrani looks like a good short term answer to me.

    Well I am all for TC doing it. He does not need more than that 1 good pitch he has to do it as well.

    They also do need to have Lutz play full time at AAA and get a RH bat.

    This allows Dusty the ability to bat a LH 2nd....or the RH....but either way....flexibility against that pesky LOOGY that keeps Dusty up at night.

  11. Likes:

    Kc61 (05-26-2013)

  12. #7
    Member smixsell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    San Jose
    Posts
    1,169

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Ondrusek, Hoover, Simon, Parra are useful relievers, but without Marshall the Reds' front line of relief is a little thin.

    I'm not advocating bringing Cingrani up now. Repeat. I'm not advocating bringing Cingrani up now.

    But after some AAA time, if Marshall isn't back, or maybe even if he is --

    Isn't Cingrani the best choice to fill out the bullpen this year for the stretch drive?

    Not suggesting a full switch to the pen. He's a starter next year.

    But maybe winning this year is important too, and maybe after some time in AAA to work on secondary pitches -- say like July 1 -- Cingrani could make a big impact as a reliever on the Reds.

    Just for 2013.
    Totally agree. If Marshall does go down long term, I think we WILL eventually see Cingrani called up and put in the pen.

  13. #8
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,768

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    I wanted Cingrani on the opening day roster pitching out of the pen. He does need work on secondary stuff, so I get the hesitation. I like the July 1 deadline. They'd probably bring him up to be eligible for the post-season anyway. I still think they should go get a reliever.

    As for today, this game was lost yesterday. The Reds have 4 trustworthy relievers right now. There should always be 2 available. Three run lead going into the 9th yesterday. Seemed like a time to use Simon and keep Chapman on the shelf. Then today could have been Hoover in the 8th and Chapman in the 9th. The Cubs announcers were questioning why in the world Dusty would burn Chapman with a 3 run lead.

    The bigger worry IMO is that not only is Marshall hurting, but Broxton doesn't look quite right to me either. Hoover/Cingrani may be the late inning set-up guys by the All Star break. I'd go after an arm no matter what. Bigger need than LF IMO.
    Last edited by mth123; 05-26-2013 at 08:13 PM.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

  14. Likes:

    remdog (05-26-2013)

  15. #9
    Worst Behavior. reds44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    25,384

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Another starter will go down at some point in Cingrani will be needed in the rotation.

    Leave him where he is. Don't overreact from one game.
    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

  16. Likes:

    *BaseClogger* (05-26-2013)

  17. #10
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,768

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Another starter will go down at some point in Cingrani will be needed in the rotation.

    Leave him where he is. Don't overreact from one game.
    That's why the July 1 idea. Let him start in AAA and work on secondary stuff for another month. If a starter goes down after he comes up, it won't take more than a game or two to stretch him out. Let him piggyback with another guy and go three. Next time he goes 5. Then, he's all ready to go.

    Used to be a pretty common way to go about things before the days of rehab assignments.

    The problem is that it isn't one game. Marshall has been hurting all season and Broxton doesn't look right.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

  18. #11
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    10,310

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I wanted Cingrani on the opening day roster pitching out of the pen. He does need work on secondary stuff, so I get the hesitation. I like the July 1 deadline. They'd probably bring him up to be eligible for the post-season anyway. I still think they should go get a reliever.

    As for today, this game was lost yesterday. The Reds have 4 trustworthy relievers right now. There should always be 2 available. Three run lead going into the 9th yesterday. Seemed like a time to use Simon and keep Chapman on the shelf. Then today could have been Hoover in the 8th and Chapman in the 9th. The Cubs announcers were questioning why in the world Dusty would burn Chapman with a 3 run lead.

    The bigger worry IMO is that not only is Marshall hurting, but Broxton doesn't look quite right to me either. Hoover/Cingrani may be the late inning set-up guys by the All Star break. I'd go after an arm no matter what. Bigger need than LF IMO.
    I have no problem with the July 1st deadline for Cingrani.

    Concerning yesterday's and today's games: both were three run leads. If Simon or Ondrusek were fine to protect a three run lead yesterday, why weren't they fine to protect one today?
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

  19. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    280

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    I would DL Broxton and rest him, he looks awful, no velocity and no breaking balls.

    I would DFA Parra and send down Ondrusek.

    I would call up Cingrani, Freeman and Arredondo(after the suspension)

    Bullpen:

    Chapman
    LeCure
    Hoover
    Cingrani
    Simon
    Arredondo
    Freeman

    Dusty needs to QUIT BLOWING Chapman in a 3 R ballgame, Logan had NO business facing Soriano, Simon or Hoover should have came in, Dusty is the worst bullpen manager in the game of baseball

  20. Likes:

    dougdirt (05-27-2013), remdog (05-27-2013)

  21. #13
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,768

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I have no problem with the July 1st deadline for Cingrani.

    Concerning yesterday's and today's games: both were three run leads. If Simon or Ondrusek were fine to protect a three run lead yesterday, why weren't they fine to protect one today?
    Because yesterday you had Chapman available if you need to go get him. Today they were all you had and no one to bail them out and were stuck living with it.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

  22. #14
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    10,310

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Because yesterday you had Chapman available if you need to go get him. Today they were all you had and no one to bail them out and were stuck living with it.
    So they blow it, Chapman comes in and saves it (maybe), and then you have no one to pitch the next day.

    Play to win to today, you have no idea what will happen tomorrow.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

  23. #15
    Member smixsell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    San Jose
    Posts
    1,169

    Re: Cingrani and the bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Another starter will go down at some point in Cingrani will be needed in the rotation.

    Leave him where he is. Don't overreact from one game.
    Your assuming that our responses are related to today's game. Mine is not. Cingrani has a great arm, and can contribute this season out of the pen w/out unduly damaging his future as a starter. I was thinking that we would see him in the 'pen during the stretch drive and playoffs before the season even started.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25