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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Good to see Dusty let Homer stay in and get the CG tonite...he deserved at least a shot.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    100 pitches are not the same for every pitcher. Homer is a big, strong guy and his delivery is unbelievably smooth and easy....125 pitches is NOT overworking him. Not at all.
    I'm not worried about this one game, I assume his arm is fine with it. But now next game he will be on a limited pitch count (I would think). I'd rather keep my options open for his next start, when today's game was pretty much in the bag.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    I have no problem at all with the decision to let Homer pitch the 9th. He looked very strong and seemed to be having an easy time of it. Homer's not a kid anymore!!!

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I'm way more lenient on abiding by pitch counts on here than most. But up 4 against the Marlins? You save the arm here.
    While I would hope Dusty has learned that you don't let Homer do this 4 or 5 times in a row, I think there's something to be said for helping Homer get the confidence that he can reach back for it on #125 should the situation arrive in October. And what better time to do that than when a gopherball makes no difference?
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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    While I would hope Dusty has learned that you don't let Homer do this 4 or 5 times in a row, I think there's something to be said for helping Homer get the confidence that he can reach back for it on #125 should the situation arrive in October.
    I was about to say, if pitching a complete game (or reaching a pitch count of x) is something Homer needed to get over the proverbial hump mentally or help his psych in some way, I can waver a bit on the move. I'm with you on your thought above.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I'm not worried about this one game, I assume his arm is fine with it. But now next game he will be on a limited pitch count (I would think). I'd rather keep my options open for his next start, when today's game was pretty much in the bag.
    See, I don't look at it quite that way. Where they would back off is his off day throwing session. That'll be the light day. I agree that they probably shouldn't push him next time out, but here's the thing...pushing Homer is probably around the 125-130 mark. 100 is kinda babying him IMO. 100 is a good spot for a Mike Leake or a Bronson Arroyo. Smaller build, more stress on the arm with all the breaking balls. Same for Cueto, he's a stronger guys, but the extra torque he puts on his body just with the Tiant-twist alone would make me lean towards 100'ish for Johnny. Latos and Homer...their normal work-load SHOULD be higher than those other guys. Especially Homer with his delivery and effort.
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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    125 stress-free pitches against a piss-poor Marlins team isn't anything to get upset about. It's ok to let a guy stretch it out a bit and get a complete game. Geesh the coddling and babying of pitchers goes a little tooooooo far sometimes.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    See, I don't look at it quite that way. Where they would back off is his off day throwing session. That'll be the light day. I agree that they probably shouldn't push him next time out, but here's the thing...pushing Homer is probably around the 125-130 mark. 100 is kinda babying him IMO. 100 is a good spot for a Mike Leake or a Bronson Arroyo. Smaller build, more stress on the arm with all the breaking balls. Same for Cueto, he's a stronger guys, but the extra torque he puts on his body just with the Tiant-twist alone would make me lean towards 100'ish for Johnny. Latos and Homer...their normal work-load SHOULD be higher than those other guys. Especially Homer with his delivery end effort.
    It's a matter of preference. And face it, tonight was fun to watch!

    But again, I'd rather keep my option of him "pushing it" open for his next start. What if it is one of those days where the bullpen has been taxed and they need help from the starter. There's a 90 percent chance everything will work out just fine here, so I acknowledge it's not the end of the world.

    3rd highest pitch count in the Majors this year going for a non-shutout complete game up 4 against the Marlins? Not my cup of tea.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    117 was the most Homer threw last year. Threw 115 in the no-no.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    I haven't seen Homer hit that kind of number on the gun since his rookie season.

    Also, he threw unquestionably his best breaking ball in the 9th as well.
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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    117 was the most Homer threw last year. Threw 115 in the no-no.
    Speaking of no-no's, I've got a hunch Homer has another one left in him. Won't necessarily be with the Reds.

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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Speaking of no-no's, I've got a hunch Homer has another one left in him. Won't necessarily be with the Reds.
    Bite your tongue. Extending Homer and Latos should be priority #1 for Walt IMO.
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    Re: 5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

    Only 2-3 'pressure' at bats. Homer did a great job staying out of trouble.
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