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    1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

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    Miguel Cabrera
    Evan Longoria
    Manny Machado
    Robinson Cano
    Chris Davis

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    Justin Upton
    Shin Soo Choo
    Troy Tulowitzki
    Ryan Braun
    Joey Votto
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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Cabrera or Machado, and Choo or Upton.

    BP should be in this conversation, though.
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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by bigredmechanism View Post
    BP should be in this conversation, though.
    not really

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_Webb18 View Post
    not really
    Why not? He leads the league in RBI (on pace for about 135) and he's the best 2nd Baseman in the game. How is he not at least on the list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    Why not? He leads the league in RBI (on pace for about 135) and he's the best 2nd Baseman in the game. How is he not at least on the list?
    The MVP conversation seems to focus on the players that lead the league in OPS. BP is way off the pace in that category.

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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Boy View Post
    The MVP conversation seems to focus on the players that lead the league in OPS. BP is way off the pace in that category.
    Even so, BP is one of the top reasons why this team is winning. Yes Choo and Votto get on base, but where would this team be without BP and his NL leading 34 RBIs? This is after he had to move into the cleanup role after Opening Day.

    Not to mention, his defense is tops in the NL too. I do not know much about the other players in the league, but IMO I think BP is the MVP of the Reds at this point in the season.
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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Boy View Post
    The MVP conversation seems to focus on the players that lead the league in OPS. BP is way off the pace in that category.
    Votto's in the conversation, but DatDude isn't? Do any Reds fans think Joey has had a better first quarter than BP has? I'm not knocking Joey, as he's doing what Joey does, but BP has been outstanding. OPS isn't the be all-end all of stats. Might as well give the MVP every year to the guy who walks the most. I realize my thinking is somewhat old school, and even antiquated in this day and age, but a 2nd Bagger who knocks in 130+ runs and is defensively superior to everyone else at his position, is a serious MVP candidate, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    Why not? He leads the league in RBI (on pace for about 135) and he's the best 2nd Baseman in the game. How is he not at least on the list?
    1) Because there's A LOT more to offensive production than RBI.

    2) RBI? If that's your criteria for MVP, it's probably not worth having an argument with those of us who are more sabermetrically inclined.

    3) No, he's not. He's easily behind Cano, Pedroia and Kinsler. And this year he's comparable to Matt Carpenter, Jose Altuve, Marco Scutaro, etc. Though probably not from your perspective....
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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    1) 2) RBI? If that's your criteria for MVP, it's probably not worth having an argument with those of us who are more sabermetrically inclined.
    Wow, I guess you put me in my place.

    Some of you are way too full of yourselves. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned Brandon's defense numerous times in this thread, so, no, RBI isn't his only value to the 2013 Reds.

    Sabremetrically inclined? LOL, now that's funny.

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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    2) RBI? If that's your criteria for MVP, it's probably not worth having an argument with those of us who are more sabermetrically inclined.
    Unless the writers have been replaced with a think-tank of Bill James and Brian Kenny, RBI's are a criteria for MVP.

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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Are any Cardinals in the conversation? I ask seriously as I haven't been following their individual performances much. Molina?

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    Yeah, as much as I love BP, I don't think he's in the conversation.
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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    If the criteria is "who is driving in the highest percentage of base runners," I'd go with Allen Craig (26.4%) and Billy Butler (26.1%.)

    My MVPs so far would be Carlos Gomez and either Evan Longoria, Mike Trout or Anibal Sanchez.

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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    If the criteria is "who is driving in the highest percentage of base runners," I'd go with Allen Craig (26.4%) and Billy Butler (26.1%.)

    My MVPs so far would be Carlos Gomez and either Evan Longoria, Mike Trout or Anibal Sanchez.
    Percentages of runs batted in doesn't mean much in terms of being most valuable. Actual runs driven in, the counting stat are what matters.

    RBI's might not correlate to skill, but they sure as heck are valuable.
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    Re: 1/4 Mark NL and AL MVPs

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Percentages of runs batted in doesn't mean much in terms of being most valuable.
    I think it's a better way of measuring the individual contribution outside of one's position in the batting order.

    Actual runs driven in, the counting stat are what matters.

    RBI's might not correlate to skill, but they sure as heck are valuable.
    The "Runs" portion of "RBI" is the valuable part.


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