Who wins the award and who has the best season may or not coincide. So far this year, Votto and choo are far and away the best players on the team
Phillips is a great two way player but its not even close in my opinion
"But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."
Defense and base-running are greatly overvalued IMO (or perhaps difficult to gauge is a better way to put it) in MVP discussion. I take the guy who simply rakes every day unless the numbers are close. Defense and running didn't narrow that gap enough.
Rounding third and heading for home...
And even if we are going to say he wasn't, it was close. One guy was an elite center fielder while the other was a crappy corner infielder. The difference there is huge without even applying a single number to their defense. Base running, same thing.
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I would have voted Trout.
But throwing up his OPS+ or the like ignores the fact that he did not play the whole season.
Trout may have been a better hitter. But, was he as valuable as Cabrera was hittingwise since he arrived a month late?
60 extra outstanding at bats from Cabrera don't make up enough of the difference between being an ever so slightly lesser hitter during that season, a drastically worse defender and a drastically worse base runner.
As for OPS+, I don't put much value on park adjusted stats, because we really don't know how a player would hit in different parks. Players adjust their approaches all the time based on where they are playing. For me, especially for deciding something like MVP, production is production.
I still think Trout deserved the MVP, but I don't think you can claim absolutely that he was the better hitter.
Without Yadier Molina, the Cardinals would be .500, he is the heart and soul of the team and irreplaceable.
He is a potent bat (.335), the best clutch hitter on the team.
His defense speaks for himself, and completely shuts down a running game (14 SB attempts in 39 games), and calls such a good game that the standing rule with Cardinal pitchers is to never shake him off.
I can't speak for other clubs, but without Yadi, the Cardinals are a 4th place team.
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It seems that this site is the only place I find baseball fans who discredit Brandon's season thus far. Is there another cleanup hitter in the game who is driving in runs and playing defense at the level BP is? There can't be many.
"I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN
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