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    I question Hanigan's pitch calling the last two innings esp. with Hoover. Hoover has a good breaking pitch but Hanigan had Hoover throw almost exclusively fastballs and eventually they caught up to it. I think with Nick Green they had him down 0-2 and didn't call for a single breaking pitch. The AB went 11 or 12 pitches and he eventually walked.

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    I thought the bench calls pitches?

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    And that, boys and girls, is why the "Win" stat for pitchers is stupid.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: 5.16.13 Thurs Reds v Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I thought the bench calls pitches?
    Bench calls plays, ie. bunting, hit and run, sacrifice, etc but typically not pitches.

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    Re: 5.16.13 Thurs Reds v Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by holster10 View Post
    Bench calls plays, ie. bunting, hit and run, sacrifice, etc but typically not pitches.
    No...bench for the Reds calls the pitches. If pitcher shakes off...then it is on the Catcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And that, boys and girls, is why the "Win" stat for pitchers is stupid.
    So throw out 100 years of baseball because sometimes the guy who gets the win does not deserve it? A lot of fans understand that the W for a pitcher stat is not as relevant as it used to be.....still does not mean you should eradicate it from the books. Sometimes you stat guys just take things to far!

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    Re: 5.16.13 Thurs Reds v Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    No...bench for the Reds calls the pitches. If pitcher shakes off...then it is on the Catcher.
    Yep.
    Chapman to the rotation!!!! Do it already!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    So throw out 100 years of baseball because sometimes the guy who gets the win does not deserve it? A lot of fans understand that the W for a pitcher stat is not as relevant as it used to be.....still does not mean you should eradicate it from the books. Sometimes you stat guys just take things to far!
    I don't want to eradicate anything. But is there any other event, that a player can do in the field, that ends up poorly affecting his team, that winds up giving him a positive stat on his baseball card? It is a joke Chapman got the win, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I don't want to eradicate anything. But is there any other event, that a player can do in the field, that ends up poorly affecting his team, that winds up giving him a positive stat on his baseball card? It is a joke Chapman got the win, but it is what it is.
    Chapman also got a BS.
    There's a stat for everything these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    Chapman also got a BS.
    There's a stat for everything these days.
    Yeah, but the W has been a "triple crown" stat for a hundred years. The oft used "these days" remark above doesn't really apply.

    Rule change: If in the last (or any?) inning a pitcher blows a save, but the offense rescues him and retakes the lead in the next half inning, the win goes to the player who was in line for the win before the BS. Or let the scorer make the call, as when a starter goes less than 5?

    Would that be a good thing? Or the start of a slippery slope?

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    Re: 5.16.13 Thurs Reds v Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Yeah, but the W has been a "triple crown" stat for a hundred years. The oft used "these days" remark above doesn't really apply.

    Rule change: If in the last (or any?) inning a pitcher blows a save, but the offense rescues him and retakes the lead in the next half inning, the win goes to the player who was in line for the win before the BS. Or let the scorer make the call, as when a starter goes less than 5?

    Would that be a good thing? Or the start of a slippery slope?
    Interesting thought, although you may be right that it's a veritable slippery slope.
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    BTW, like everyone else, I'm just happy to have another stroke in the W column. It doesn't always have to be pretty and, heaven knows, we've had enough times over the years where a game like this gets away. Nice job in the 10th to nail it down and kudos (as someone else said) to Herr Donald Lutz for starting it off.
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    And to be fair. Chapman comes in with one out and a guy on third, and if he doesn't hold the lead he gets a blown save...that doesn't seem right to me either. So it's hard to knock Chapman, despite him giving up a bomb of a triple.

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    Just a thought, if the win stat doesn't matter and is not used by some for analysis (and rightfully so), why complain about it still being a part of the game?
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    Re: 5.16.13 Thurs Reds v Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by holster10 View Post
    I question Hanigan's pitch calling the last two innings esp. with Hoover. Hoover has a good breaking pitch but Hanigan had Hoover throw almost exclusively fastballs and eventually they caught up to it. I think with Nick Green they had him down 0-2 and didn't call for a single breaking pitch. The AB went 11 or 12 pitches and he eventually walked.
    3 run lead, challenge the hitters, throw strikes, if the AB went that long, then isn't it more a case that the batter won the battle?
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