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    Re: Garcia to DL

    No surprise. I think that the regression of the Cards starting pitching staff has already begun.

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
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    As for Westbrook, except for that stint at the end of last year, he's been a workhorse. How many # 5 starters give you 13 wuins and an ERA around 3.50 ?
    Not many, not even Westbrook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Westbrook's career ERA is 4.24. He had a 3.97 ERA last year and a 4.66 ERA in 2011. His season up to this point this year (1.62 ERA) was an extreme aberration.

    His xFIP is 4.44, which is the highest of his career.

    His season has been a mirage.

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Shelby Miller, the bell tolls for you next....

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Speaking of mirages, Mujica's current LOB % is 97.2; BABIP of .163. I look forward to those numbers returning to the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Westbrook's career ERA is 4.24. He had a 3.97 ERA last year and a 4.66 ERA in 2011. His season up to this point this year (1.62 ERA) was an extreme aberration.
    My bad. In the 2 full seasons that Westbrook has pitched for the Cardinals, he has a record of 25-20 and an ERA around 4.35. I stand by assertion that he has been one of the best # 5 starters in the league.

    By comparison, Red's # 5 starters have 13 wins over the last 2 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Shelby Miller, the bell tolls for you next....
    Curious.

    Shelby Miller has never been injured in his life, not even in high school. Not sure why you would opine that he will be injured anytime soon.

    Are you an orthopedic surgeon ? A pitching coach ? Or something else ?
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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
    Curious.

    Shelby Miller has never been injured in his life, not even in high school. Not sure why you would opine that he will be injured anytime soon.

    Are you an orthopedic surgeon ? A pitching coach ? Or something else ?
    I think Kal was just having fun and not trying to make a serious analysis. Chill.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDoux View Post
    Speaking of mirages, Mujica's current LOB % is 97.2; BABIP of .163. I look forward to those numbers returning to the norm.
    I'm not sure what you consider the norm, but in less than 1 full season with St.Louis, he has surrendered 6 ER in 44.1 innings. He has issued 4 BBs and has 39 Ks, giving up 3 HRs.

    Although I certainly don't expect him to close out every game, I see no reason why he won't continue to be effective.

    If he falters, there are plenty of arms to step in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    I think Kal was just having fun and not trying to make a serious analysis. Chill.
    No worries.
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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
    Curious.

    Shelby Miller has never been injured in his life, not even in high school. Not sure why you would opine that he will be injured anytime soon.

    Are you an orthopedic surgeon ? A pitching coach ? Or something else ?
    Maybe he simply reads the internet?

    There was some suspicion last year when Shelby Miller was throwing about 5 MPH slower than normal in the first half of the year.

    And in spring training this year, he was actually shut down for a short period for what they called "lingering shoulder tightness".

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
    I'm not sure what you consider the norm, but in less than 1 full season with St.Louis, he has surrendered 6 ER in 44.1 innings. He has issued 4 BBs and has 39 Ks, giving up 3 HRs.

    Although I certainly don't expect him to close out every game, I see no reason why he won't continue to be effective.

    If he falters, there are plenty of arms to step in.
    Many pitchers ride some luck for a season or more. Mujica is pitching better than he did with Florida, as he's increased his K-rate, but his BABIP with the Cards isn't going to remain in the mid-100's. His xFIP with the Cards is about 3.00, and that's likely the pitcher he's become.

    A pitcher with that type of production will be a pretty good, though not elite closer.

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
    No worries.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
    I'm not sure what you consider the norm, but in less than 1 full season with St.Louis, he has surrendered 6 ER in 44.1 innings. He has issued 4 BBs and has 39 Ks, giving up 3 HRs.

    Although I certainly don't expect him to close out every game, I see no reason why he won't continue to be effective.

    If he falters, there are plenty of arms to step in.
    The norm for babip and lob% are well established at ~.300 and 77% respectively. Sorry to disappoint, but these numbers apply to cardinal pitching too.

    And no, the cards do not have an endless supply of effective bullpen arms.

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    Re: Garcia to DL

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofStLouis View Post
    Furcal maybe, but no one expected Carpenter to be hurt.
    With his injury history, how could you not expect him to be hurt at some point?

    If a guy like him were a Red I'd expect him to be injured and count any time you do get from him as a plus.
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