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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    I'll take Votto because Cabrera will fall hard off the mountain because of his body type and lack of conditioning. Votto will age more gracefully.
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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Thanks to those who like to talk actual, serious, baseball.
    "I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I'll take Votto because Cabrera will fall hard off the mountain because of his body type and lack of conditioning. Votto will age more gracefully.
    I hope you're right.
    "I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I'll take Votto because Cabrera will fall hard off the mountain because of his body type and lack of conditioning. Votto will age more gracefully.
    This. Plus Votto is a plus defender, and hasn't had issues with alcohol in the past on more than one occasion.

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    If I had to pick one for this season or next I would have to go Cabrera. If I get them for next 5 years I go Votto. Miguel just has too much more in the way of power right now.

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Migs is the best of the best right now. I can't take anybody over him for the near future. As mentioned, he does have a small past but nothing that makes me think he is destined for an abrupt halt in production. It could happen, but I wouldn't bet anything significant on it.
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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Right now, Cabrera.. It's not even debatable.. Votto is awesome, but Cabrera is a level above him.

    Votto is never going to win the triple crown. Cabrera might do it back to back.
    Votto has less power than Cabrera..

    In 5-10 years? Hard to say who will be better, but I would probably take Cabrera over the long term too.
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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    I don't know, those Canadians are expert fence-builders.
    Canadians are great at everything.

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I'll take Votto because Cabrera will fall hard off the mountain because of his body type and lack of conditioning. Votto will age more gracefully.
    I agree that Votto is more likely to age well though with the DH in place the Tigers should get a number (5?) of good years still from Cabrerra. It is interesting to note how Cabrerra's HR numbers have improved the past two years with Fielder behind him in the lineup. I wonder if that is a coincidence or the power of protection.

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Cabrera. Last year convinced me that he's the best since Bonds. And he's on pace to top that this season, although he'll fall off that pace a bit, surely.
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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by WildcatFan View Post
    Cabrera. Last year convinced me that he's the best since Bonds. And he's on pace to top that this season, although he'll fall off that pace a bit, surely.
    Is Cabrera really better than Pujols in his prime?

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Is Cabrera really better than Pujols in his prime?
    Well, "since Bonds" to me referred to 2005 and later, and Pujols was doing some of his best work before then. You could argue that Cabrera has had the best four-year run of anyone since 2005, including Pujols.

    Maybe it's just the luster of the Triple Crown, or the fact that offense has been down for a couple years around baseball, but what Cabrera is doing just feels different.
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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    I would take Votto. He would give you better advice on what coffee to drink.
    Miggy could probably give you better advice on what to put in your coffee.
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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
    This. Plus Votto is a plus defender, and hasn't had issues with alcohol in the past on more than one occasion.
    I know this is kind of a taboo subject, but if you're going to bring up Cabrera's alcohol issues, don't you have to bring up Votto's depression issues? Both are negatives.

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    Re: Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera?

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Is Cabrera really better than Pujols in his prime?
    About equal. But Cabrera is super hot right now so that is what everyone wants to talk about. Remember how hot Hamilton started the season last year and how he was going to be biggest FA last year and there was no way to get him out.....man things can change quickly.


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