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    Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Removing his first two starts of the season, his line is as follows:

    G: 6
    IP: 43.1
    ER: 11
    BB: 9
    K: 32
    ERA: 2.28
    WHIP: 1.27

    Pretty solid numbers for ANY teams #5 starter. I just felt it fair to give credit where credit is due considering some wanted to send him to AAA and let Cingrani pitch in his place. We have an awesome rotation with a fantastic #6 when/if needed. Let's just hope we don't need a #7.

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    Actually, I think LeCure would make a decent #7 if needed.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Actually, I think LeCure would make a decent #7 if needed.
    I'm not advocating it, but simply pointing it out. I think the Reds have several guys who could become starters - Lecure, Hoover, and of course Chapman (although I personally prefer him closing).
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Well, I was more implying non-current MLB roster players who would need to be spot starters. Who else is there if we DIDNT use LeCure, Hoover, etc.?

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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    Well, I was more implying non-current MLB roster players who would need to be spot starters. Who else is there if we DIDNT use LeCure, Hoover, etc.?
    I'm guessing Armando Galarraga would be the first called up.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I'm guessing Armando Galarraga would be the first called up.
    He's pitching fairly well at AAA.

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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I'm guessing Armando Galarraga would be the first called up.
    Greg Reynolds would be another possibilitiy- not that we hope the Reds have to get to a 7th or 8th starter other than a late season DH coverage start.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Greg Reynolds would be another possibilitiy- not that we hope the Reds have to get to a 7th or 8th starter other than a late season DH coverage start.
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    8 starts at AAA, 4-0 2.88 ERA 56 IP 12 BB 39 K's
    Yea, no. I was looking at what was going on at AAA yesterday and saw that line. Then, I looked at his career minor league stats. If he's needed for any more than a spot start, it probably won't be pretty.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Frankly, we're in a good place over the long haul with regards to starters. It was a good decision to send Cingrani back down for additional development. And I'm doubtful, as things stand now, that Arroyo will be back next year, and I love the guy. He's probably one of the smartest pitchers I've ever seen. But there is likely no room for him after this season and that's before we look at who else is in the pipeline in future years. Even with the Latos and Bailey LTC question out there, they've got other pitchers who can likely take there places. I'm also not inclined to say we need to trade someone like Bailey because by the time he's a free agent, we can offer him arbitration and have the added draft pick if he refuses. And by the time that comes up, it would be a matter of having him at whatever figure will be the going rate at that time.

    I'm like our current rotation now and moving forward. Of course, this is all subject to whatever fate may bring our way or who may falter, but I think our pitching depth is good. Who would ever have thought one could say that about the Reds. Knock on wood!
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Leake is a typical sinker baller with average stuff. When he keeps the sinker down and throws strikes, he makes it look easy. When he can't push it down, then he gets wild and the elevated sinker gets crushed. And seldom is he in the middle of the continuum.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Leake is a typical sinker baller with average stuff. When he keeps the sinker down and throws strikes, he makes it look easy. When he can't push it down, then he gets wild and the elevated sinker gets crushed. And seldom is he in the middle of the continuum.
    Exactly right. Leake has to have really good control within the strike zone. When he does he's very good. When he doesn't he's very bad. I hope he's watching Arroyo very closely. Leake could be a carbon copy of BA and have a very nice career when he learns to change speeds while having good control of the strike zone.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Leake is a typical sinker baller with average stuff. When he keeps the sinker down and throws strikes, he makes it look easy. When he can't push it down, then he gets wild and the elevated sinker gets crushed. And seldom is he in the middle of the continuum.
    That's the thing, seldom does he actually get "crushed." His career quality start percentage is 60%. Major League average: 53%. He's not getting crushed very often.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Leake has had good results with an improved HR/9 and an increased GB% this year. It will be interesting to see if he keeps it up.
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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    Good thread. Leake's much underappreciated on RZ, IMO.

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    Re: Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

    I think it's amazing that 10 years ago, Leake would've been the team's #1 starter. Now he's a #5 with a sub-4 ERA.

    He looked good last night. A couple of flyballs that didn't get out in Citi might have been out of GABP, but overall he kept the Mets off balance.
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