Let's give Mike Leake some credit.

[M2]

All MLB OPS against (min 40 IP)

3. Cueto
39. Bailey
54. Leake
56. Latos
59. Cingrani
68. Arroyo

[M2]

All MLB WAR (min 40 IP)

16. Leake
30. Arroyo
31. Cueto
37. Latos
65. Bailey
72. Cingrani

[M2]

All MLB DIPS (min 40 IP)

14. Bailey
36. Latos
42. Cueto
44. Leake
92. Cingrani
95. Arroyo

[M2]

All MLB component ERA (min 40 IP)

2. Cueto
26. Bailey
34. Cingrani
49. Latos
54. Arroyo
61. Leake

[RichRed]

My favorite stat - Age of each pitcher:

Cingrani - 23
Latos - 25
Leake - 25
Bailey - 27
Cueto - 27
Arroyo - 36 (but it's a young 36)

[M2]

All MLB average placement from the above 6 stats:

14. Cueto
42. Leake
43. Bailey
45. Latos
52. Cingani
54. Arroyo

So, it is five #2s, but there's an ace there in front of them.

[_Sir_Charles_]

All MLB average placement from the above 6 stats:

14. Cueto
42. Leake
43. Bailey
45. Latos
52. Cingani
54. Arroyo

So, it is five #2s, but there's an ace there in front of them.

Nice. When I did it before, Cueto just didn't have enough innings so I was kind of combining he and Cingrani.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Disagree. Cueto is an Ace, has been for 2 years now. Bailey has reached #1 status this year as well. He's 11th in the NL in K's for a starter, 25th in WHIP, 52nd in ERA.

If he isn't a #1, he's pretty close.

Latos, 15th in K's, 37th in WHIP, 26th in ERA. Again, NL rankings only.

The thing is with these three pitchers, the numbers have been trending this way the past three seasons. Each one getting better. Leake is having a kind of breakout season, but really only two things have changed. uptick in K's, keeping the ball in the park. EVERYTHING else is right in line with career norms. So, enjoy it, because that sub .400 SLG against won't last all year. I wish it would, but I don't see it.

I wasn't trying to slight Cueto. When I had figured it up earlier, Cueto had been out quite a while this year, so I was kind of combining his numbers and Cingrani's. But yeah, when healthy, Johnny's fantastic. No doubt.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That would mean you are saying that each of our starting pitchers fall in the range of the 30th best to the 60th best pitcher in baseball. Nah.

Makes for a cute narrative but I don't think it is true.

M2 did a much better job than I did in gathering the info, but yeah...it's true. And it has been for a while now.

And the numbers (the rankings) that he posted may seem deceptive to some. But here's what they basically mean....

75 starters in the NL.
1-15 are #1's
16-30 are #2's
31-45 are #3's
46-60 are #4's
61-75 are #5's

But M2 did it for all of MLB...so the numbers are different.

1-30 are #1's
31-60 are #2's
61-90 are #3's
91-120 are #4's
121-150 are #5's

[kaldaniels]

M2 did a much better job than I did in gathering the info, but yeah...it's true. And it has been for a while now.

And the numbers (the rankings) that he posted may seem deceptive to some. But here's what they basically mean....

75 starters in the NL.
1-15 are #1's
16-30 are #2's
31-45 are #3's
46-60 are #4's
61-75 are #5's

But M2 did it for all of MLB...so the numbers are different.

1-30 are #1's
31-60 are #2's
61-90 are #3's
91-120 are #4's
121-150 are #5's

So if it is true, list each man that you are counting (5 total) and tell me where they rank in terms of NL starters number-wise and how you came to that conclusion.

It's a tight squeeze if you want to get them all in from 16th to 30th, but I'd like to see you give it the old college effort. Caveat - 2013 stats to date do not make a pitcher all by themselves.

[_Sir_Charles_]

So if it is true, list each man that you are counting (5 total) and tell me where they rank in terms of NL starters number-wise and how you came to that conclusion.

It's a tight squeeze if you want to get them all in from 16th to 30th, but I'd like to see you give it the old college effort. Caveat - 2013 stats to date do not make a pitcher all by themselves.

The only thing I was doing was looking at WAR. Some of the stats that M2 picked, I don't even know what they mean. No clue what dips is for example. And yes, I was only talking about this year.

9: Mike Leake
17: Bronson
18: Cueto
21: Latos
47: Homer

This is their current NL ranking in WAR. Back when I did it, they were all in the 16-30 range. Homer's dropped recently and Leake has surged upward. But just look at the ones M2 posted above (those are for this season and for all of MLB).

[mattfeet]

*ahem*

[mattfeet]

Crap.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Booooo. Busted up by the opposing pitcher.

TOTALLY your fault Matt. *grin*

[Tony Cloninger]

*ahem*

You lost me.