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    I'm not sure the Reds could withstand the loss of Chapman. I'm also not sure the Cards have a player that is as good as any of the top 5 Reds players, so an injury to any one player wouldn't hurt them as much. With the Pirates, it's AM. The Reds are going to run away with this thing, now winning on the road and beating the unbeatable Harvey. The Brewers and Cubs, who cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    I'm not sure the Reds could withstand the loss of Chapman. I'm also not sure the Cards have a player that is as good as any of the top 5 Reds players, so an injury to any one player wouldn't hurt them as much. With the Pirates, it's AM. The Reds are going to run away with this thing, now winning on the road and beating the unbeatable Harvey. The Brewers and Cubs, who cares.
    If the Cardinals lost Yadi, they'd end up in 4th place.

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    If the Cardinals lost Yadi, they'd end up in 4th place.

    While you're at it, pass that bad boy this way.
    He may be the most overrated player in baseball, but besides that, yeah, he's ok.

    He's a singles hitter who has above average defense, but he's no where close to what Cardinal fans would have you believe. I watch him all the time, and he's very overrated. He may be the 5th or 6th best catcher in the NL.

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    I'll let that go since this is a Reds board and I'm a guest here.

    I'll leave the discussion of Yadier Molina to real baseball people. I have watched the Cards fill holes from within for the last few seasons now. I don't remember the last time I heard any discussion from our folks about our catchers on the farm. That is how important Yadi is to this team.

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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    He may be the most overrated player in baseball, but besides that, yeah, he's ok.

    He's a singles hitter who has above average defense, but he's no where close to what Cardinal fans would have you believe. I watch him all the time, and he's very overrated. He may be the 5th or 6th best catcher in the NL.
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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    He may be the most overrated player in baseball, but besides that, yeah, he's ok.

    He's a singles hitter who has above average defense, but he's no where close to what Cardinal fans would have you believe. I watch him all the time, and he's very overrated. He may be the 5th or 6th best catcher in the NL.
    I can't stand yaddy, but the guy is an excellent defensive catcher who at least against the reds rakes in clutch situations. Who do you have rated above him not named buster posey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old school 1983 View Post
    I can't stand yaddy, but the guy is an excellent defensive catcher who at least against the reds rakes in clutch situations. Who do you have rated above him not named buster posey?
    Will Rosario, Brian McCann, Miguel Montero, John Buck and Hanigan. LuCroy or Russell Martin might be the 6th and 7th best, tossup between them and Molina. The guy is overrated, plain and simple. It's funny out here, he gets all the credit for the job of the starting pitching, but yet gets none of the blame for the bullpen. It he was as good as he's made out to be, the Cards wouldn't have bullpen problems. Miller was good before he got to St. Louis. So was Westbrook. Lynn was also good and Wainwright came from the Braves system and was around 3 HOF's, so Molina can't claim him either.

    Anyway, it will be a two team race between the Pirates and Reds. Molina won't be able to do anything to help Jon Gast or this Tyler Lions kid. Mujica is smoke and mirrors. I think the Pirates are our biggest threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    Will Rosario, Brian McCann, Miguel Montero, John Buck and Hanigan. LuCroy or Russell Martin might be the 6th and 7th best, tossup between them and Molina. The guy is overrated, plain and simple. It's funny out here, he gets all the credit for the job of the starting pitching, but yet gets none of the blame for the bullpen. It he was as good as he's made out to be, the Cards wouldn't have bullpen problems. Miller was good before he got to St. Louis. So was Westbrook. Lynn was also good and Wainwright came from the Braves system and was around 3 HOF's, so Molina can't claim him either.

    Anyway, it will be a two team race between the Pirates and Reds. Molina won't be able to do anything to help Jon Gast or this Tyler Lions kid. Mujica is smoke and mirrors. I think the Pirates are our biggest threat.
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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    Will Rosario, Brian McCann, Miguel Montero, John Buck and Hanigan. LuCroy or Russell Martin might be the 6th and 7th best, tossup between them and Molina. The guy is overrated, plain and simple. It's funny out here, he gets all the credit for the job of the starting pitching, but yet gets none of the blame for the bullpen. It he was as good as he's made out to be, the Cards wouldn't have bullpen problems. Miller was good before he got to St. Louis. So was Westbrook. Lynn was also good and Wainwright came from the Braves system and was around 3 HOF's, so Molina can't claim him either.

    Anyway, it will be a two team race between the Pirates and Reds. Molina won't be able to do anything to help Jon Gast or this Tyler Lions kid. Mujica is smoke and mirrors. I think the Pirates are our biggest threat.
    I take yaddy over all of them except maybe mc cann when he is not injured. Buck will slow down offensively. Yaddy has it defensively over all of them with hanny being the closest. It pains me to say this but it's true. :/
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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    Will Rosario, Brian McCann, Miguel Montero, John Buck and Hanigan. LuCroy or Russell Martin might be the 6th and 7th best, tossup between them and Molina. The guy is overrated, plain and simple. It's funny out here, he gets all the credit for the job of the starting pitching, but yet gets none of the blame for the bullpen. It he was as good as he's made out to be, the Cards wouldn't have bullpen problems. Miller was good before he got to St. Louis. So was Westbrook. Lynn was also good and Wainwright came from the Braves system and was around 3 HOF's, so Molina can't claim him either.

    Anyway, it will be a two team race between the Pirates and Reds. Molina won't be able to do anything to help Jon Gast or this Tyler Lions kid. Mujica is smoke and mirrors. I think the Pirates are our biggest threat.
    You mean the .189 hitting Miguel Montero? And the .161 hitting Ryan Hanigan? And the .224 hitting John Buck. Good stuff. Keep hating man. This is hilarious. Jealousy is a mother they say.

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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    He may be the most overrated player in baseball, but besides that, yeah, he's ok.

    He's a singles hitter who has above average defense, but he's no where close to what Cardinal fans would have you believe. I watch him all the time, and he's very overrated. He may be the 5th or 6th best catcher in the NL.
    Care to back any of that up with some data?
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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    He may be the most overrated player in baseball, but besides that, yeah, he's ok.

    He's a singles hitter who has above average defense, but he's no where close to what Cardinal fans would have you believe. I watch him all the time, and he's very overrated. He may be the 5th or 6th best catcher in the NL.
    A singles hitter that hit 22 HR's last year. And has won 5 straight gold gloves and the 1st 2 platinum gloves to ever be awarded. But yeah he's over rated. I'm sure the Reds would not take him. Whatever you're smoking, pass it around man. That's some great stuff. LOL Oh yeah, I forgot, Yadi also has 2 World Series rings if one of the Reds catchers, or anyone else on the Reds for that matter, wants to see them. You know, just to see what they actually look like.

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    What's overrated about a catcher who can hit, has a lifetime average of .300+ with RISP, has an arm that nobody runs on, is in the top 10 in batting, has improved his offense stats the last 4 years? I get it, you're a REds fans trying to posture and seem cool to your friends.....but you're being a little delusional.

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    Re: Most important player to NL Central teams

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMO View Post
    I'm not sure the Reds could withstand the loss of Chapman. I'm also not sure the Cards have a player that is as good as any of the top 5 Reds players, so an injury to any one player wouldn't hurt them as much. With the Pirates, it's AM. The Reds are going to run away with this thing, now winning on the road and beating the unbeatable Harvey. The Brewers and Cubs, who cares.
    Chapman for the most part is a non factor for the Reds this year so far. There are 3-4 other pitchers in the pen that could do what he has done so far and maybe better. Right now the most important player this team can't lose is Phillips. His defense, hustle and such and no other option at second is the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Fan View Post
    Chapman for the most part is a non factor for the Reds this year so far. There are 3-4 other pitchers in the pen that could do what he has done so far and maybe better. Right now the most important player this team can't lose is Phillips. His defense, hustle and such and no other option at second is the man.
    I think you're making light of how good shutdown closers are. Chapman has the chance to be Mariano Rivera special, and no other team has a closer that can say that. Just keep him away from pastries and he'll be fine.

    I love Phillips and yes the Reds would be in trouble without him, but I don't have a lot of faith in anyone else to do what Chapman is doing. Walt can always trade Cingrani for a position player if someone gets hurt, and now his value is even higher. But again, this is what I'm saying about the Reds. Choo, Phillips, Votto, Bruce, Chapman, Cueto and Latos are better than any player the Cards have.

    The Cards farm system is also down to nothing now, so they have no help going forward. They keep talking about this kid Wacha, but nothing about him stands out. The Cards were stupid not to trade Tavares from Profar. Kozma is a .230 hitter in the minors and will be in the majors. They have no speed. I could go on and on, but I'm really sick of the hype and having them on the cover of SI today made my blood boil.


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