I think he is an averagish player that offers skills that a baseball team could like, but those are skills the reds already have in better hitters and players that are better defensively at their position. The reds need more professional type hitters that can grind out at bats and make a pitcher work. These are not elite type players. Joe randa, tood walker, Jeff keppinger, Fernando vina, mark Loretta, kotsay when he was younger are examples. They aren't that hard to come by hell three of them I named were reds during the lost decade.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 05-24-2013 at 11:01 AM.
Don Cameron (05-24-2013)
I am really not sure what the purpose of this thread anymore, to be honest. Rolen was horrible...HORRIBLE for the past year and a half, at least. He had no...NO pop in his bat. When he would run into one, he hit it about ten feet short of the warning track. His range reminded me of Pete Rose's range at third base. He was/is DONE.
Francisco was not your answer. We do not/did not need a left handed bat. We need a strong right handed bat.
Frazier will be a competent, but not overwhelming third baseman for the Reds. Not every player in the line-up has to hit .260 with 20 and 100 rbi.
He is too old to have any IMPACTFUL trade meaning. Let him hit 6 or 7 and play it out.
Once bitten--twice shy
My main point too is that just looking to trade for a left fielder is a little narrow minded and could cause issues and not leave many options. If that's all the reds can get then ill go with it but I think they should look at third basemen too. Mostly likey Frazier will not be an impact type player at any point, but, in a trade, packaged with good prospects, he would have some value. Get a good right handed hitting guy at third and you aren't dependent on ludwick coming back strong, but if he does, you can play both. If lutz continues to look tough, you can continue to develop him. If Hamilton comes on strong choo can move to left and Hamilton to center. If not you could trade for a rental cf. it leaves many more options than getting a LF would. And also some people seem to think Frazier will be some kind of rising star for the next 5 to 8 years. That's be great, but more realistically hell be around average, and I have no issue giving up average if the right situation occurred where the reds could get a 4 hole type to play third and leave options open in the outfield. I was never saying he sucks a d DFA him or anything like that. That's extremely short sided.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 05-24-2013 at 10:59 AM.
LF - Black hole and little chance Ludwich impacts this season
SS - Cozart good but has holes in game exposed by hitting 2nd
Catcher - Unknow future with Mez
CF - What happens after this season, hugh impact on team
3rd - Frazier suffering bit of soph slump, next season key
RF - Great D, strong potential, but lacks consistancy
2nd - Age
1st - body can stay healthy
And just for the record I'd love to be a GM if reds zone ran the front office. I could trade prospects spare parts and maybe one star player for chapman, Hamilton, Hrod, lutz, cingrani, soto, Stephenson, Bruce, leake, Mez, cozart, broxton, and corcino. Hell with those players alone you could almost field a good team and have future depth.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 05-25-2013 at 07:31 AM.
And frankly I don't care if most people here take me seriously. I've been watching baseball pretty much since birth. Amongst my group of friends and family, they have seen me make correct observations, and evaluations for years. Sometimes I'm wrong we all are, but more often than not I'm right and that's all I really care about....if the people in real life know that I know what I'm talking about. If people here want to listen or not or talk to me or not, that's their choice and usually unless its a personal attack, it's no big deal to me.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 05-25-2013 at 07:42 AM.
The way I see Frazier is his first two years compare pretty closely to Chris Sabo.
Frazier through May 27
218 career games
Sabo 1st two years
219 Career Games
Sabo, has a 2.74 (compared to a 2.55) third baseman defensive range factor and many MANY more stolen bases than Frazier--BUT IN REALITY--they are extremely close to one another in terms of production.
A lover of Facts
But looking at sabo v Frazier you have to look at where each played. Fraziers numbers were produced in an era of smaller stadiums with a homefield of great American bandbox. Sabo was playing in an era of spacious all turf fields. Put him in today's parks and I think he's a potential 30 30 guy. Also on defense the surface matters. Playing third on an all turf field requires way faster reflexes and reaction times than playing on all grass. So that has to be taken into consideration as well.
Even if you'd ask who'd be more impactful on this current team I'd say sabo. He adds speed and defense and could easily bat second or maybe even 4th on the reds right now. I just see this as a perfect example of how similar stats don't equal similar production in terms or all around game and skills added to a lineup.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 05-28-2013 at 12:15 PM.