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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Somebody mentioned Michael Young (maybe earlier in this thread or another thread). I like the idea. Free agent to be on a fading team. Young at 3B with Frazier free to move to LF wouldn't be so bad. Young would be a good fit in the 2 hole as well. Phils need reinforcements. H-Rod/Corcino with Philly covering some money sounds fair for a two month rental.
    Agreed.

    As far as RH OF with some pop-I still think Morse would be a relatively cheap rental from Seattle. He's a butcher in LF but would be an intimidating presence in GABP. He wouldn't be my first choice but he's a name to consider.

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Low risk chance

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=20848

    A name from the past just might wind up surfacing as a potential boost to some club’s offense during the pennant race. Free-agent outfielder Grady Sizemore has been working out as he continues to recover from the microfracture knee surgery that caused him to miss last season with the Indians and is hoping to be ready to play after the All-Star break.

    Sizemore has appeared in just 104 major-league games since the start of the 2010 season and hasn’t stayed healthy for a full year since 2008. However, he is still only 30 years old and averaged 5.0 WARP a season from 2005-08.

    “I’d take a shot on him, let him try to work his way up through the minor leagues, see if he has anything left,” said an FOT from a contending team. “His talent was undeniable when he was healthy. “

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Wouldn't bother me a bit.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I think he's back at the end of August so he can be on the post-season roster, even if he's not 100%.
    As long as he's on the DL, he's eligible for the post-season.
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    If I were the Reds, I'd give him a shot. Make him go through a try-out and sign him to a deal that requires him to show some spark in AAA first.

    I really don't think you can count on Ludwick coming back and being the same player he was after shoulder surgery. It zaps power hitters power.

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    I'm fine with taking a flyer on Sizemore, but my gut tells me he is done.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Sizemore is too much of a risk. He hasn't played since 2011 and was never that good. He had some solid years but not enough talent imo to make a comeback.

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    Sizemore is too much of a risk. He hasn't played since 2011 and was never that good. He had some solid years but not enough talent imo to make a comeback.
    What do you see as the risk?
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    Sizemore is too much of a risk. He hasn't played since 2011 and was never that good. He had some solid years but not enough talent imo to make a comeback.
    No risk at all and well he was good for a small chunk of years

    Code:
    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    2005 Indians      22  158   640  111  185  37  11  22   3.44   81   52  132   22  10  .289  .484  .348  .832 
    2006 Indians      23  162   655  134  190  53  11  28   4.27   76   78  153   22   6  .290  .533  .375  .907 
    2007 Indians      24  162   628  118  174  34   5  24   3.82   78  101  155   33  10  .277  .462  .390  .852 
    2008 Indians      25  157   634  101  170  39   5  33   5.21   90   98  130   38   5  .268  .502  .374  .876

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    No risk at all and well he was very good for a small chunk of years

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    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    2005 Indians      22  158   640  111  185  37  11  22   3.44   81   52  132   22  10  .289  .484  .348  .832 
    2006 Indians      23  162   655  134  190  53  11  28   4.27   76   78  153   22   6  .290  .533  .375  .907 
    2007 Indians      24  162   628  118  174  34   5  24   3.82   78  101  155   33  10  .277  .462  .390  .852 
    2008 Indians      25  157   634  101  170  39   5  33   5.21   90   98  130   38   5  .268  .502  .374  .876
    I made a slight revision to your post.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfboy View Post
    What do you see as the risk?
    Taking a spot away from even a replacement player on the roster. I'd rather watch Robinson or someone else in AAA have a shot than a player that's years removed.

    I don't foresee Sizemore as outperforming anyone on our bench. The guy peaked at the age of 23 in 2006 then showed steady decline from there. He's 30 and hasn't played a full season since 2008. Why do you think he'll be effective? He only has name recognition.
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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    Taking a spot away from even a replacement player on the roster. I'd rather watch Robinson or someone else in AAA have a shot than a player that's years removed.

    I don't foresee Sizemore as outperforming anyone on our bench.
    Personally, I just don't see how taking away a spot/plate appearances from Robinson hurts the team. Conversely, if Sizemore can perform anywhere close to where he was at his peak, the payoff would be amazing. Classic low risk/high reward transaction IMHO.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    Taking a spot away from even a replacement player on the roster. I'd rather watch Robinson or someone else in AAA have a shot than a player that's years removed.

    I don't foresee Sizemore as outperforming anyone on our bench. The guy peaked at the age of 23 in 2006 then showed steady decline from there. He's 30 and hasn't played a full season since 2008. Why do you think he'll be effective? He only has name recognition.
    He doesn't even have to take a spot from the roster. They could sign him to a minor league deal with incentives and activate him later.
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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    No risk at all and well he was good for a small chunk of years

    Code:
    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    2005 Indians      22  158   640  111  185  37  11  22   3.44   81   52  132   22  10  .289  .484  .348  .832 
    2006 Indians      23  162   655  134  190  53  11  28   4.27   76   78  153   22   6  .290  .533  .375  .907 
    2007 Indians      24  162   628  118  174  34   5  24   3.82   78  101  155   33  10  .277  .462  .390  .852 
    2008 Indians      25  157   634  101  170  39   5  33   5.21   90   98  130   38   5  .268  .502  .374  .876
    Look at all those strikeouts. Pass.


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    Re: Ludwick out until at least mid-August

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfboy View Post
    Personally, I just don't see how taking away a spot/plate appearances from Robinson hurts the team. Conversely, if Sizemore can perform anywhere close to where he was at his peak, the payoff would be amazing. Classic low risk/high reward transaction IMHO.
    That was SEVEN years ago!!!! Xavier Paul is putting up better numbers than Sizemore did in his last 5 seasons. You're delusional to expect anything more than a .250+ avg from Sizemore. He could have some power off the bench but that's it.


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