That falls into TV's current baby (Passive + K upswing = boring baseball) It's his followup song to (Pitchers yearly increased workload + youth = inning limit necessity)Originally Posted by Always Red
That falls into TV's current baby (Passive + K upswing = boring baseball) It's his followup song to (Pitchers yearly increased workload + youth = inning limit necessity)
I read the article and thought immediately of Stubbs, who seemingly always took a fastball down the middle for strike one, then never caught up in the count and wound up flailing at a curve out of the zone. I think Stubbs problem was pitch recognition; not sure what Ackley's is.
At least they're not calling this "the Verducci enigma." Yet.
Verducci was trying to paint a narrative about the college game with Ackley as a poster child...but something isn't jiving with Ackley being a force as a college hitter, the college game being "played a foot off of the outside corner" and Ackley essentially conceeding the outside of the plate to major league pitchers. Why would he be so obstinate about the "lefty strike" in the majors when his successful college career was played out in an environment where the outside portion of the plate was hammered or as as Davey Johnson put it:
Something is different about Ackley. And while it's a convenient narrative for Wedge to argue it's due to Ackley's "upbringing" or as Verducci rephrases, "its a sign of the times", Ackley's problem is that he flat out doesn't swing at pitches on the outter half of the plate in the majors despite an "upbringing" where he clearly thrived in an environment where punishing stuff on the outer half of the plate was where he made hay."The college strike zone is about one foot outside," Nationals manager Davey Johnson said. "College pitchers throw away much more than they do in because of the bat and the strike zone. The game is played off the plate much more."
No, intuitive narratives aside, the Ms screwed Ackley up and by Ms I mean something he's been instructed to do during the last 2 seasons has been woefully poor as advice/instruction goes. It's not his upbringing that's the problem...it's what has happened after he was brought up.....
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Always Red (06-04-2013)
I'm not as familiar with the M's as you are, jojo, have they developed any good young hitters of late, or just messed up with Ackley? Because it's also possible that all the scouts just missed on him, and he isn't as good as thought. It does happen (B. Larsen).
I don't think they've developed a good hitter since Edgar, Arod, and Jr and frankly, neither you nor I could've messed up those bats....
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
In fairness you guys had some good hitters developing in the form of Shin-Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Adam Jones, etc.I don't think they've developed a good hitter since Edgar, Arod, and Jr and frankly, neither you nor I could've messed up those bats....
but then
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
RedEye (06-04-2013)
The Ms made sure to get rid of them though before they were infected with the Pugetticus batsuckitus bug though.... (because players like Ben Broussard, Eduardo Perez etc were immune to its effects).In fairness you guys had some good hitters developing in the form of Shin-Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Adam Jones, etc.
but then
Last edited by jojo; 06-04-2013 at 05:47 PM.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I shudder to think about what would have happened if Bavasi had been in the Reds FO when Bedard was available... probably Votto and Cueto would be O's.
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
Bavasi said yes. Krivsky said no.
Statheads reviled the balded one.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
And you got pretty angry at me for obsessively updating the Bedard rumor thread on RedsZone.
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
Actually, I remained calm, cool and collected throughout the whole ordeal.And you got pretty angry at me for obsessively updating the Bedard rumor thread on RedsZone.
Redszone wanted the answers? Redszone wanted answers? Redszone thought it was entitled. Redszone wanted answers? Redszone wanted the truth. Redszone couldn't handle the truth!
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Raisor (06-05-2013)
Paging Dr. Wedge! Eric Wedge diagnosing such a thing would be like an Auto Mechanic diagnosing someone's medical condition. While a car and human body are both vessels that's about where the similarities end. In other words Wedge ya gotta know something about Sabermetrics to say it caused a players problems. And the fact you said it tells me you don't get it. My understanding of Sabermetrics isn't about being more or less passive at the plate, it's about maximizing ones potential by taking advantage of easily accessible information that is underutilized for one reason or another. But if there were someone struggling due to a misunderstanding of the philosophy it would be easier to blame it on those who want to sweep it under a rug than those who use it or the info itself.
Getting down off my soapbox now!
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
--Woody Hayes
Great movie reference. And now I will think about Jack Nicholson along with Homer Simpson every time you post. :-)
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
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