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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Those of us questioning the Hannahan move wouldn't have a problem with it if Dusty didn't have a LONG HISTORY of horrible lineup decisions. So, it's not just about Hannahan, but that's a small part of it (and the most-recent example).

    Fans should not know how to construct lineups better than the Reds' manager. Yet, we do.
    But the Hannahan decision was not a horrible lineup decision. There really was no obvious or strong lineup decision to make. The bench is pretty weak.

    So I guess I don't understand what all the fuss was about.

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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

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    I'm not your son....patnah!!!!
    Hah, just having some fun. Saw your post -- where you referred to yourself in the third-person and said you were out. Then you posted ANOTHER POST. That doesn't sound like "out" to me, son. I mean, bud.

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    He's looking good right about now. You? Not so much.
    Man, you're just full of told you sos and good cheer tonight aren't you. Tell you what, the next 50 times the Reds go into the 9th down 4, I'll take that they don't come back and win/tie 100% of the time. I'll end up being right an awful lot. There isn't much too brag about in that regard.
    That doesn't mean there is any truth to the moronic remark that scoring a run to begin an inning when you are down 4 is a great way to deflate your team and ensure you don't score any more.
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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    It's not as small as you might think. Using guys like Taveras, Patterson, Stubbs, Janish at the top of your lineup takes a toll over the long haul. And then using Hannahan as the DH tonight? We'll never know for sure, but I bet that really hurt the Reds tonight. Hannahan is a defensive specialist. Everyone knows this. He's not a good hitter. And there is Dusty B. Baker using him as a DH. You can't make this stuff up!

    Only Paul Janish is not surprised. He's the only one! (OK, Taveras and Patterson too.)
    Yes it does take it's toll. And the fact that he hasn't had very good options during those years for those roles still gets thrown at his feet. It's all his fault.

    As for Hannahan, so I take it you think he should rot away on the bench and only be used as a late inning defensive replacement? There are a limited number of players on a club during this long season. Every one of them is going to be needed at some time or another, don't you agree? If those guys are going to be expected to contribute, they've got to get some playing time in order to maintain some semblance of readiness. Is he a great option for a DH? Of course not. But guess what, we don't HAVE an great option for DH because our roster isn't designed for a DH. The other options, while maybe better, are only slightly better. Lutz and Mesoraco are both getting plenty of playing time due to the positions they play. Same for Robinson. But Hannahan's opportunities have been very limited. If he's not going to play, he might as well be replaced on the roster. But he does serve a purpose on the roster (as a defensive replacement as you pointed out) but he's got to stay sharp in his other aspects as well or he's a detriment to the club. One DH start is not the reason we just lost that game. A poor start by Bronson coupled with some poor ab's at critical times are why we lost that game.

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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

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    But the Hannahan decision was not a horrible lineup decision. There really was no obvious or strong lineup decision to make. The bench is pretty weak.

    So I guess I don't understand what all the fuss was about.
    I agree the bench is weak.

    I DISAGREE that there was no better option than Hannahan. Leake is a better hitter than Hannahan. Robinson is a better hitter than Hannahan. Mesoraco is definitely a better hitter (although I do "kind of" understand the backup catcher thing), Lutz is a better hitter than Hannahan IMO (although I can see how some would disagree).

    Looking at ALL the options, do you think Jack Hannahan was the best option to DH tonight? If not, Dusty made a mistake. Plain and simple.

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    BTW, didn't Hannahan get two hits last night in the Reds' victory?

    Not that it matters, Reds would have lost tonight anyway, but I just don't see the big issue here.

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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I thought the discussion was about Hannahan.

    Generally I'd agree with you. Although Dusty hasn't always had the best candidates.

    I understand Cozart this year. It's a lefty/righty thing. Don't agree with it although Zack is doing ok now.

    Last year Stubbs obviously was a poor leadoff choice, although there weren't great options out there.
    KC...we agree 100%. I think it's just a bit of miscommunication is all regarding what Blitz and I were talking about.
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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Fans should not know how to construct lineups better than the Reds' manager. Yet, we do.
    We THINK we do. Until we're put in there to do it...we'll never know. As I said before, I think lineup construction is one of his worst skills (maybe THE worst skill), but he rarely has the right parts to fill those slots. I just think it's not as cut and dry as some make it out to be is all.
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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    Man, you're just full of told you sos and good cheer tonight aren't you. Tell you what, the next 50 times the Reds go into the 9th down 4, I'll take that they don't come back and win/tie 100% of the time. I'll end up being right an awful lot. There isn't much too brag about in that regard.
    That doesn't mean there is any truth to the moronic remark that scoring a run to begin an inning when you are down 4 is a great way to deflate your team and ensure you don't score any more.
    I know man. All good. Was seriously just bustin' nuts there. If you read back through my posts, I'm not exactly a big Chris Welsh fan tonight. You are right that his "leadoff HR is a rally killer" thing is bunk.

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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    The pace that both the Cardinals and Pirates are setting is impossible to gain or put distance between them (in the case of the Pirates). Someone has to cool off, but it's tough when they both keep winning. I still say this a a three team race and unless we have a good series this weekend, we could briefly be in third place. How sobering is that? Plenty for me. Guys better go their business against those gold and black over achievers or else.

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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    I agree the bench is weak.

    I DISAGREE that there was no better option than Hannahan. Leake is a better hitter than Hannahan. Robinson is a better hitter than Hannahan. Mesoraco is definitely a better hitter (although I do "kind of" understand the backup catcher thing), Lutz is a better hitter than Hannahan IMO (although I can see how some would disagree).

    Looking at ALL the options, do you think Jack Hannahan was the best option to DH tonight? If not, Dusty made a mistake. Plain and simple.
    Well, I think in this case a look at some stats might help, Blitz. Leake's lifetime OPS is 50 points lower than Hannahan's. AND Leake would be hitting righty/righty instead of lefty/righty.

    Derrick Robinson has been used largely against lefties this year. Against righties, he's .551 OPS in a very few at bats.

    I mean, I don't think the stats bear you out on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    I agree the bench is weak.

    I DISAGREE that there was no better option than Hannahan. Leake is a better hitter than Hannahan. Robinson is a better hitter than Hannahan. Mesoraco is definitely a better hitter (although I do "kind of" understand the backup catcher thing), Lutz is a better hitter than Hannahan IMO (although I can see how some would disagree).

    Looking at ALL the options, do you think Jack Hannahan was the best option to DH tonight? If not, Dusty made a mistake. Plain and simple.
    No manager in baseball would pass up a single player on his bench, let alone his entire bench to DH a pitcher.
    There was every reason to assume that Hannahan might have success playing in the park he spent the last two seasons in.
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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Well, I think in this case a look at some stats might help, Blitz. Leake's lifetime OPS is 50 points lower than Hannahan's. AND Leake would be hitting righty/righty instead of lefty/righty.

    Derrick Robinson has been used largely against lefties this year. Against righties, he's .551 OPS in a very few at bats.

    I mean, I don't think the stats bear you out on this one.
    Well, if you just want to play the "stats" card ... I'll play Mesoraco and win this debate all day. Catchers just don't get hurt that often; yet managers behave as if they get hurt every other game by the way they refuse to use them as DH's or PH's.

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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    I agree the bench is weak.

    I DISAGREE that there was no better option than Hannahan. Leake is a better hitter than Hannahan. Robinson is a better hitter than Hannahan. Mesoraco is definitely a better hitter (although I do "kind of" understand the backup catcher thing), Lutz is a better hitter than Hannahan IMO (although I can see how some would disagree).

    Looking at ALL the options, do you think Jack Hannahan was the best option to DH tonight? If not, Dusty made a mistake. Plain and simple.
    Read my post before this one you made. Think BIG PICTURE. Robinson & Lutz are splitting time with Paul in LF. All three are getting pretty regular opportunities. Mesoraco is splitting time with Hanny and is also getting plenty of reps. Jack....not so much. He needs reps too. Seemed like a prime opportunity to do so tonight. Not a mistake, a planned decision with reasoning behind it that looks globally and not at ONE GAME. Not as plain and simple as you might think.
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    Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Well, if you just want to play the "stats" card ... I'll play Mesoraco and win this debate all day. Catchers just don't get hurt that often; yet managers behave as if they get hurt every other game by the way they refuse to use them as DH's or PH's.
    Tomorrow the Reds face a lefty. Mesoraco is virtually the only RHH available to DH, except for Izturis who switches but doesn't hit much.

    Let's see if Dusty goes with Mes tomorrow.

    it should be interesting.

    Again, I don't see the Hannahan thing as a big deal. Jack's lifetime numbers aren't that terrible.

    The DH thing will be a problem since the Reds haven't made any player moves to replace injured players. Ludwick is a big loss. Heisey not as much, but still hasn't been replaced. The remaining bench players don't provide much offense.


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