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    Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    But don't take this as a signal that Votto has fundamentally adjusted his approach. He still believes in the value of going deep in the count, of swinging the at-bat in his favor, sometimes by not swinging at all. Though he is swinging at 30.8 percent of first pitches (above the Major League average of 26.5 percent), he is also seeing 4.13 pitches per plate appearance (well above the Major League average of 3.85). Votto, then, illustrates his own favorite quality in a hitter, which is to be both patient and aggressive.

    "I'm trying to get the most out of myself, and I have decided that this is the way I get the most out of myself," he said. "And if people don't like it, that's their decision. But the people that think I'm doing well are the same people that make sure an automobile drives straight and an airplane knows how to land. These are scientists and mathematicians that can figure out some things."
    And then there's this gem from Dusty:

    "It's not called walking, it's called hitting," Baker said, and that sound you just heard was a sabermetrician slapping his forehead. "You're trying to get a hit."
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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Who's down with OBP?

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Who's down with OBP? (Yeah you know me)
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    I'm all about working a count and OBP, but if a great hitter like votto sees a first pitch he can crush by all means do so. It's all about plate discipline. Knowing what you can hit and going for it and knowing what you don't want to or can't and laying off. Lesser hitters, or guys without the pop, I'd rather see go deep in the count and try to get on, but then again they may not have that skill and that is why they are the lesser hitters.
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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Baseball for beginners:

    1. Get on base. (OBP)
    2. Collect additional bases (SLG)

    There has never been a run scored, in the history of the game, where a runner has scored without first touching first base (OBP)
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    There has never been a run scored, in the history of the game, where a runner has scored without first touching first base (OBP)
    psssshaw. I know for a fact Jim Coombs once did just that
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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Baseball for beginners:

    1. Get on base. (OBP)
    2. Collect additional bases (SLG)

    There has never been a run scored, in the history of the game, where a runner has scored without first touching first base (OBP)
    I don't think Joey has an issue with either of those, so I'm cool with him approaching his at bats how he wants until he proves himself to have an issue with those things.

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    I totally agree that obp and slugging are both insanely important stats, but i think the RBI has been devalued in the modern approach to evaluating baseball. As an individual stat it is not a very good indicator or performance because it can be influenced by a variety of outside factors, but as a team stat I think it's highly important. I know every run isn't scored as a result of an RBI but just like no runner has ever scored without first touching first base, no runner has also never scored without touching home.

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy View Post
    psssshaw. I know for a fact Jim Coombs once did just that
    That's because he had a waiver from the league. Designated ghost runner
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    Who's down with OBP?
    I would like to officially nominate "OPP" as the fight song for the 2013 Reds. That would be... well, what can I say? That would be just a tremendous choice.
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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    They could do a video like the 90 Reds did
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    Who's down with OBP?
    I've been down with OBP since my early chidhood "Strat-O-Matic: days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    They could do a video like the 90 Reds did
    Totes. Or like the '89 Bengals!
    "Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Oh Dusty.....

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    Re: Votto and Choo are down with OBP (article from Reds website)

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    They could do a video like the 90 Reds did
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