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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by bellhead View Post
    Would be a step in the right direction.
    Because trying to win with the resources you have is bad?
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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Just to play devil's advocate though.
    The current compensation system also helps teams retain talent.
    I'm not sure it actually works that way, but if owners perceive it that way (and they might) then that would definitely put them in favor of keeping the current system.
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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/0...aft-picks.html


    Oregon State left-hander Ben Wetzler was indefinitely suspended by the NCAA for inappropriate contact with a financial advisor after he was drafted in the fifth round by the Phillies last June, and Baseball America's Aaron Fitt reports (all Twitter links) that it was the Phils themselves who turned Wetzler in to the NCAA. The club also tried to report sixth-round pick Jason Monda, but Monda was cleared by the NCAA to continue playing for Washington State. Wetzler and Monda, both college juniors, turned to school rather than sign with the Phillies, and Fitt notes that it is "a significant departure from [the] industry norm" for teams to report on their unsigned players.
    In reaction to Fitt's report, Scout.com's Kiley McDaniel says the Phillies "destroyed all trust" between teams and agents in the draft process and Baseball America's Jim Callis feels this "should be" cause for non-senior college players and agents to be careful about dealing with Philadelphia (both links to Twitter).

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    Wow, that is shady.

    Sounds like what happened with Bo Jackson when he visited Tampa Bay.

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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    Got a feeling that a lot of prospects will refuse even to talk with Phillies scouts after this. Their coaches will be warning them, especially in the college ranks.
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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Got a feeling that a lot of prospects will refuse even to talk with Phillies scouts after this. Their coaches will be warning them, especially in the college ranks.
    Aaron Fitt was on MLB Network radio this past hour talking about that exact thing. He suggested that coaches aren't even going to let the Phillies talk to their players and honestly, I can't say that I would blame them one bit.

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    This was a classic case of cutting off your own nose but a bigger problem is that they may have cut the noses off a few other organizations, too. Certainly it would make me suspicious of any ML team if I was a coach or player. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/0...iolations.html


    Follow up.


    Monda has since been cleared to play for Washington State this season, but Wetzler's investigation is ongoing, leaving Oregon State without its left-handed ace, according to Fitt. He goes on to note that just because these accusations are in place doesn't mean that Wetzler and Monda actually violated the rules, adding that an NCAA ruling is expected by the end of the week.

    This story is of particular note given the fact that agents who are advising draft prospects are unhappy and could withhold information from the Phillies as the draft approaches. In a followup tweet to his story, Fitt quotes on agent who told him, "As of today, Phillies are out. Phillies are not getting into any more of our households. We're shutting down all communications." He also tweets that multiple agents have said there will be repercussions for the Phillies.

    Scout.com's Kiley McDaniel and ESPN's Keith Law have heard the same from agents in conversations today (Twitter links). Law goes on to speculate (via Twitter) that the Phillies may not receive information about the signability of some prospects, as well as their questionnaire responses and psych exam results.

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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

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    Ben Wetzler suspended for 20 percent of Oregon State's season

    Oregon State pitcher Ben Wetzler was selected by the Phillies in the fifth round in last June's MLB draft. As is standard procedure these days, he consulted with an agent while deciding whether to sign with the Phillies or to stay in school. He elected the latter.

    In turn, the Phillies turned in Wetzler for the NCAA for contact with an agent and now he's been cost 20 percent of his senior year.

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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

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    Orioles Close To Deal With Nelson Cruz

    By Tim Dierkes [February 22 at 7:02am CST]

    The Orioles are close to a deal with slugger Nelson Cruz, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. Heyman adds, "There are still a couple issues to be resolved, according to sources, though a deal looks extremely likely."

    Cruz was one of 13 players to receive and turn down a one-year, $14.1MM qualifying offer in November. Signing such a player requires the forfeiture of a draft pick, which contributed to slow markets for Cruz, Ubaldo Jimenez, and the still-unsigned Ervin Santana, Stephen Drew, and Kendrys Morales. The Orioles signed Jimenez on Monday to a four-year, $50MM contract, a franchise record for a pitcher. The O's sacrificed the 17th overall pick in the June draft to do so. At the trade deadline last year, the Orioles dealt their Competitive Balance Lottery Round A pick to the Astros in the Bud Norris deal, currently #33 overall. That means their next available pick to sacrifice for a qualifying offer free agent is #52, so the penalty to sign Cruz is less pronounced. The Rangers will receive a supplemental first round pick for their loss.

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    Orioles To Sign Nelson Cruz

    By Charlie Wilmoth [February 22 at 9:25am CST]

    Nelson Cruz and the Orioles have agreed to terms on a one-year contract, Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes reports. CBS Sports' Jon Heyman originally reported that the two parties were close to an agreement. The deal is for one-year and a base salary of $8MM, plus $750K in incentives, obviously a very disappointing outcome for a player who declined a $14.1MM qualifying offer from the Rangers and at one point reportedly sought a four-year, $75MM deal. Cruz is represented by the Wasserman Media Group.

    Cruz, 33, hit .266/.327/.506 in 456 plate appearances in 2013. A 50-game suspension for his connection to the Biogenesis scandal shortened his season.

    The Rangers will now receive what is currently the No. 30 overall pick in the 2014 draft as a result of Cruz signing elsewhere. The Orioles, meanwhile, will sacrifice the No. 55 pick. Losing the No. 17 pick when they struck a deal with Ubaldo Jimenez likely made it easier for the Orioles to sign Cruz, since they would no longer have to give up a first-round draft choice in order to do so.

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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    Originally Posted by Gallen5862
    http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft...d-draft-order/


    So while we wait for further free agent signings, the draft order currently looks like this, assuming Granderson signs with the Mets as is being reported widely:

    First Round

    1. Houston Astros

    2. Miami Marlins

    3. Chicago White Sox

    4. Chicago Cubs

    5. Minnesota Twins

    6. Seattle Mariners

    7. Philadelphia Phillies

    8. Colorado Rockies

    9. Toronto Blue Jays

    10. New York Mets

    11. Toronto Blue Jays (compensation for failure to sign Phil Bickford in ‘13 draft)

    12. Milwaukee Brewers

    13. San Diego Padres

    14. San Francisco Giants

    15. Los Angeles Angels

    16. Arizona Diamondbacks

    x Baltimore Orioles (forfeited for signing Ubaldo Jimenez)

    X. New York Yankees (forfeited for signing Brian McCann)

    17. Kansas City Royals

    18. Washington Nationals

    19. Cincinnati Reds

    x. Texas Rangers (forfeited for signing Shin-Soo Choo)

    20. Tampa Bay Rays

    21. Cleveland Indians

    22. Los Angeles Dodgers

    23. Detroit Tigers

    24. Pittsburgh Pirates

    25. Oakland Athletics

    X- Atlanta Braves (forfeited for signing Ervin Santana)

    26. Boston Red Sox

    27. St. Louis Cardinals

    Compensatory Round

    *Y. Seattle Mariners (Kendry Morales compensation)

    Z. New York Yankees (for losing Robinson Cano)

    ZZ. New York Yankees (for losing Curtis Granderson)

    *28. Kansas City Royals (awarded for Ervin Santana)

    *29. Cincinnati Reds (awarded for losing Shin-Soo Choo)

    *30. Texas Rangers (awarded for losing Nelson Cruz)

    *31. Miami Marlins (compensation for failure to sign Matt Krook in ‘13 draft)

    *32. Cleveland Indians (awarded for losing Ubaldo Jimenez)

    33. Atlanta Braves (awarded for losing Brian McCann)

    34. Boston Red Sox (awarded for losing Jacoby Ellsbury)

    *35. Boston Red Sox (Stephen Drew)

    *36. St. Louis Cardinals (awarded for losing Carlos Beltran)

    X Lost for signing free agent Brian McCann

    Y Lost for signing free agent Robinson Cano, will revert to second-round pick if Morales resigns with Mariners

    Z Lost for signing free agent Jacoby Ellsbury

    ZZ Lost for signing free agent Carlos Beltran

    *All picks marked with an asterisk are contingent on the free agent signing with another team.

    The Mets will lose their second-round pick for signing Granderson, as their first-round pick is protected as a top 10 selection.

    There are many problems with the new collective bargaining agreement, but the free-agent compensation is one way that the new system is significantly better than the old rules. Under the old rules, teams lost one pick for signing a free agent while gaining two. Now it’s a one-for-one transaction. Sign a compensatory free agent? Lose a pick. Lose a compensatory free agent? Gain a pick.


    Updated with Baltimore Orioles losing draft pick #55 for signing Nelson Cruz. Texas Rangers (awarded #31 for losing Nelson Cruz)
    Last edited by Gallen5862; 03-12-2014 at 12:16 PM.

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    I am intrigue with FSU's Winston as a baseball player. He looks like Elijah Dukes at the plate, he cant hit yet he is a switch hitter, he plays RF with the arm of Vlad and the route running of Adam Dunn. He then comes on in the 9th inning with a crazy delivery and hits 92 consistently ...... I kinda wish he was eligible this year just to see what teams say publically about him.
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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

    Looks like the Reds will pick 19th and 29th after Ervin Santana goes to Atlanta.

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    Re: Looking Ahead: 2014 Draft

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    Braves Sign Ervin Santana

    By making this signing, the Braves are sacrificing their No. 26 overall selection in the draft, though that loss is lessened somewhat by the fact that they will have the No. 32 overall pick after losing Brian McCann to the Yankees as a free agent. The signing also means that Royals will now gain the No. 28 selection in the 2014 draft, as Yahoo's Jeff Passan tweeted over the weekend. That will give Kansas City four of the first 58 picks in this year's draft.


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