"All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH
Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS
Mth, It isn't about a definitive answer (your words). It's about a compelling explanation. I have no idea where a thread like this can go other than to highly speculative, often personal, and sometimes objectionable explanations. Are we going to spend an entire thread wondering about what's going on every time a Reds player makes a few mistakes? Probably not -- but for Votto we seem to want to lately. I just don't think it is necessary.
I am happy to stand corrected if this thread actually does generate any productive discussion other than whispers about Joey's knee, his mental health or his personal life. Until that happens, I will continue to maintain that this board has far more potential than to be the baseball equivalent of a rumor mag.
Last edited by RedEye; 06-16-2013 at 09:44 PM.
"I’ll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. That’s just how I do things.” -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
With Dusty, I see a ton of daily, constant speculation, baseless or not. There is certainly room for healthy discussion over who should play and who should not, the batting order, and how to handle a pitching staff. But the constant second guessing is tiresome, to me and others here, and I really don't see how Joey Votto is innocent this week, but Dusty Baker is guilty and must be 2nd guessed.
This is a Reds message board, so I understand why Dusty is constantly called out. I tend to just skip over those threads, unless they are outrageously egregious.
Shouldn't we apply the same standards to all Reds players that are applied here to Dusty? Or no? Why should Joey not be held to that standard that many have set here?
With Dusty, the conversation does sometimes veer towards the distasteful, but many times it also involves questioning his actual game strategy or his philosophy of managing (lineup, bullpen usage, in-game substitutions). That's different, and it can be fruitful. It's certainly fodder for an internet message board like ours. It too can get tired if done incessantly -- but at least it's not just sensationalism from the get go ("maybe he's still worried about his knee!")
Last edited by RedEye; 06-16-2013 at 10:50 PM.
Should we have the same standard or not?
As I stated before, Joey's lapses this week were easy for all to see. Baker's "lapses" are not considered lapses by all. Votto got a little ribbing in this thread and some took umbrage. Baker receives constant ridicule and criticism, on a daily basis, over decisions that he makes that most other managers in the game would do the exact same thing as he does.
If Joey's off limits, then maybe Dusty should be, too.
If Dusty's fair game, then maybe Joey should be, too.
That's all I'm saying. Fair is fair. I'm big fans of both of them.
Last edited by RedEye; 06-16-2013 at 10:58 PM.
So, let's make some wild assumptions here.
1. One of the little brothers failed math and Joey is stressed out trying to find a good tutor.
2. Mom is dating again and it's freaking Joey out.
3. Girlfriend just dropped a "we're preggers!" bombshell.
4. Aliens landed and the real Joey is visiting Jupiter while a doppleganger plays in his place for a week.
Come on, everyone is entitled to the occasional bad week. We all have them. Some of us more often than others (Raises hand here).
I think the parallel Dusty thread would involve Corry Patterson dating or not dating his daughter.
Bringing up Votto's depression issues every time he slumps is the equivalent except not funny.
As pretty much everyone knows I have some of the same issues Votto has. If someone brought up that fact every time I screwed up at work....
"But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."
Votto's personal life must be doing great today because he's 1 for 1 with a sweet defensive gem.
Do you guys think he got a great cup of coffee at breakfast? Maybe a cute fan blew him a kiss during batting practice? We need to get to the bottom of this.
Cincinnati Reds 2014 W-L Record: 76.6-85.4*
Cincinnati Reds 2015 W-L Record: 75-87**