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    Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

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    Sounds like Tony Cingrani is staying to back up Cueto, if needed, after injury. Unclear if Cingrani will stay in the pen after Cueto's start today, or if someone else will come up for the pen.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

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    Sounds like Tony Cingrani is staying to back up Cueto, if needed, after injury. Unclear if Cingrani will stay in the pen after Cueto's start today, or if someone else will come up for the pen.
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    I hope he stays. The Reds don't have 12 better. If Walt goes out and gets 2 decent arms, they still don't have 12 better. Time to win. Cingrani can add innings and work on off-speed stuff in winter ball if need be.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I hope he stays. The Reds don't have 12 better. If Walt goes out and gets 2 decent arms, they still don't have 12 better. Time to win. Cingrani can add innings and work on off-speed stuff in winter ball if need be.
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.
    Cingrani should be able to fill in from the pen. He's already stretched out.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I hope he stays. The Reds don't have 12 better. If Walt goes out and gets 2 decent arms, they still don't have 12 better. Time to win. Cingrani can add innings and work on off-speed stuff in winter ball if need be.
    Jeff Brantley made a good point on the radio yesterday. He said that temporarily moving Cingrani to the bullpen shouldn't hinder his progress as a starter, and it also allows him to ease back on his workload so that he doesn't reach his innings limit for the season too early and have to be shut down in late August or early September.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Cingrani should be able to fill in from the pen. He's already stretched out.
    Not if he goes out and gets used to pitching in the bullpen on short stints and every few days he won't be.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Not if he goes out and gets used to pitching in the bullpen on short stints and every few days he won't be.
    Happens all the time. Reds did a few years ago with LeCure.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Doug, what's the deal with Reynolds? Is he opting-out in Louisville, or sticking around? I sure hope it's the latter.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

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    Happens all the time. Reds did a few years ago with LeCure.
    No they didn't. Sam Lecure in 2010 started all of his games to begin his season with the Reds, then went to the bullpen. In 2011, he pitched out of the bullpen for 1 inning in March before making 4 straight starts, then moving back to the bullpen.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Doug, what's the deal with Reynolds? Is he opting-out in Louisville, or sticking around? I sure hope it's the latter.
    I assume since he pitched for them last night that he is sticking around.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.
    Start Cingrani, let him go three. Let Simon go three more and the use the rest of the pen as normal. After that, he should be ready to go 5 or 6, big deal. As many point out about splitting the lefty's, saving Chapman and a myriad of other topics, why give-up what could be an asset on a regular basis in case something else might happen? Especially when the consequence would be roughly 3 innings of 1 game.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Start Cingrani, let him go three. Let Simon go three more and the use the rest of the pen as normal. After that, he should be ready to go 5 or 6, big deal. As many point out about splitting the lefty's, saving Chapman and a myriad of other topics, why give-up what could be an asset on a regular basis in case something else might happen? Especially when the consequence would be roughly 3 innings of 1 game.
    Your plan may work out for a situation as I presented if it happens in 3 weeks. But what if if happens August 1st and Cingrani hasn't thrown more than 1 inning in 6 weeks? They aren't going to just toss him right back into the rotation like that.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Your plan may work out for a situation as I presented if it happens in 3 weeks. But what if if happens August 1st and Cingrani hasn't thrown more than 1 inning in 6 weeks? They aren't going to just toss him right back into the rotation like that.
    I guess we'll disagree. If he's pitching an inning at a time, a jump to 3 innings isn't that big a deal. A jump to 5 or 6 after that still shouldn't be a big deal. This used to happen all the time. If it takes 3 starts to get him to 6 innings so be it. It's still not worth having Ondrusek or some other batting tee out in the pen and a daily basis.
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