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    Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

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    Sounds like Tony Cingrani is staying to back up Cueto, if needed, after injury. Unclear if Cingrani will stay in the pen after Cueto's start today, or if someone else will come up for the pen.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Villareal sent down.

    Sounds like Tony Cingrani is staying to back up Cueto, if needed, after injury. Unclear if Cingrani will stay in the pen after Cueto's start today, or if someone else will come up for the pen.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    I hope he stays. The Reds don't have 12 better. If Walt goes out and gets 2 decent arms, they still don't have 12 better. Time to win. Cingrani can add innings and work on off-speed stuff in winter ball if need be.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I hope he stays. The Reds don't have 12 better. If Walt goes out and gets 2 decent arms, they still don't have 12 better. Time to win. Cingrani can add innings and work on off-speed stuff in winter ball if need be.
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.
    Cingrani should be able to fill in from the pen. He's already stretched out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Cingrani should be able to fill in from the pen. He's already stretched out.
    Not if he goes out and gets used to pitching in the bullpen on short stints and every few days he won't be.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Not if he goes out and gets used to pitching in the bullpen on short stints and every few days he won't be.
    Happens all the time. Reds did a few years ago with LeCure.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.
    Start Cingrani, let him go three. Let Simon go three more and the use the rest of the pen as normal. After that, he should be ready to go 5 or 6, big deal. As many point out about splitting the lefty's, saving Chapman and a myriad of other topics, why give-up what could be an asset on a regular basis in case something else might happen? Especially when the consequence would be roughly 3 innings of 1 game.
    Last edited by mth123; 06-16-2013 at 01:57 PM.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Start Cingrani, let him go three. Let Simon go three more and the use the rest of the pen as normal. After that, he should be ready to go 5 or 6, big deal. As many point out about splitting the lefty's, saving Chapman and a myriad of other topics, why give-up what could be an asset on a regular basis in case something else might happen? Especially when the consequence would be roughly 3 innings of 1 game.
    Your plan may work out for a situation as I presented if it happens in 3 weeks. But what if if happens August 1st and Cingrani hasn't thrown more than 1 inning in 6 weeks? They aren't going to just toss him right back into the rotation like that.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Your plan may work out for a situation as I presented if it happens in 3 weeks. But what if if happens August 1st and Cingrani hasn't thrown more than 1 inning in 6 weeks? They aren't going to just toss him right back into the rotation like that.
    I guess we'll disagree. If he's pitching an inning at a time, a jump to 3 innings isn't that big a deal. A jump to 5 or 6 after that still shouldn't be a big deal. This used to happen all the time. If it takes 3 starts to get him to 6 innings so be it. It's still not worth having Ondrusek or some other batting tee out in the pen and a daily basis.
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Your plan may work out for a situation as I presented if it happens in 3 weeks. But what if if happens August 1st and Cingrani hasn't thrown more than 1 inning in 6 weeks? They aren't going to just toss him right back into the rotation like that.
    Isn't Marshall going to be back in 3-4 weeks?
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.
    Cingrani moves back into the rotation over any of those guys. He isn't going to magically forget how to start just because he's been in the bullpen for a while.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    Cingrani moves back into the rotation over any of those guys. He isn't going to magically forget how to start just because he's been in the bullpen for a while.
    Of course he isn't going to forget how to start, but maybe his arm won't be conditioned to start depending on how long he is in the bullpen and how quickly he is needed to start.

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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    The problem with that plan is that what happens if Cueto or someone else gets hurt in 3 weeks after Cingrani is in the bullpen? We get to choose a starter from Greg Reynolds, Chad Reineke, Armando Galarraga, Pedro Villarreal or Daniel Corcino to fill in as a starter. I really don't think the Reds want to do that. The downgrade to one of those guys is so huge compared to what is happening in the bullpen that I would be surprised to see that be the move.
    So if he is used out of the pen he mystically loses his ability to start? I think you've hypnotized yourself Doug. Ever hear of a "swing man ? "
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    Re: Cueto up, Cingrani stays for now

    Quote Originally Posted by smixsell View Post
    So if he is used out of the pen he mystically loses his ability to start? I think you've hypnotized yourself Doug. Ever hear of a "swing man ? "
    Pitchers, some more than other, are creatures of roles and habits. It's a valid point to discuss, though we don't know the inside baseball regarding Tony on this matter.

    It is not a point that needs to be triple-mocked.


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