This seems to be another case of Redszone forgetting that it is no longer 2000-2009, and the primary goal of the Cincinnati Reds baseball club is winning games, not developing prospects.
This seems to be another case of Redszone forgetting that it is no longer 2000-2009, and the primary goal of the Cincinnati Reds baseball club is winning games, not developing prospects.
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Last edited by _Sir_Charles_; 06-19-2013 at 05:23 PM.
RedEye (06-19-2013)
I agree. And I'd have no problem if they brought up Cingrani for the playoffs or designated one of the starters in the rotation to pitch in the pen (if we go with 3 starters).
If Tony is successful as a reliever...what's the certainty that the Reds would put him back on a starter's track? If Tony stays up here the remainder of the season in the pen...is his arm ready for that kind of work. It IS a considerable change.
My point is that it's not as risk-free as many make it out to be. If handled properly, the risk is VERY small. But that includes a rather big IF.
RedEye (06-19-2013)
But those prospects that we took the time to develop properly are the only reason we're winning games. I'd like to keep winning games personally. Shoving all your chips into 2013 in a system as unpredictable as the MLB playoffs is setting yourself up for disappointment IMO.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
I posit that "develop properly" is largely a misnomer. Most development is probably going to come down to identifying the player's talent and commitment ahead of time. Plus, the term properly assumes there's a right way and a wrong way to bring prospects along. I don't think there's really that much black and white... mostly gray.
The Reds are in this position because the prospects panned out. I don't know that they did anything differently other than finally found the right guys. The good organizations are the ones that can identify the players that have 'it' and have the people that can analyze the performance to maximize the wins.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
REDREAD (06-20-2013)
Except for the development piece, which is gigantic.The good organizations are the ones that can identify the players that have 'it' and have the people that can analyze the performance to maximize the wins.
When a patient comes into an emergency room with massive trauma, a doctor has to stop the bleeding before worrying surgeries and reconstruction. If you lose too much blood, the later is irrelevant.
Regardless, I'm honestly not sure what this move does to lessen the Reds' chances of winning "later this year." How does helping the team now hurt them later? And again, if you can help them now, why wouldn't you do it lest there not be a "later?"
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Did you just skip over the rest of my post and right to the last sentence? As I already said, I think "development" is a misnomer. Either guys have it or they don't. The trick is to find the ones that do. The development will be there if the guys have the talent, commitment and savvy. Approach varies from club to club, but there isn't really a right way or wrong way to develop guys. There are a whole lot of successful strategies. At the end of the day, though, the fundamentals are the same almost wherever you go. So the trick isn't actually teaching or developing, it's find the guys you think will do it.
Last edited by Brutus; 06-19-2013 at 06:22 PM.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Mistakes are made in trauma rooms all the time based on short-sighted, hasty decision making.
Cingrani is the main backup plan if there is injury in the rotation. If he becomes a reliever and fails to make adjustments to his off speed pitches, he will most likely be far less effective in that role.
Last edited by RedEye; 06-19-2013 at 06:43 PM.
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
I partially agree with you, but I think that the way you're wording this makes it seem like you're saying that management and coaching play almost no role whatsoever. If a player either has "it" or they don't, that means that no coaching will help a player develop new skills, or modify those they already have.
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