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The argument is moot, the Reds will be lucky to keep at least two of Leake, Bailey, Latos and Cueto past 2015 and Arroyo will likely not resign. Cingrani will be slotted for the rotation by necessity as early as next April.
All I'll say about this is that Cingrani in the bullpen puts a completely different look to the end of the game.
And that look is one of a championship.
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Honest question related to this discussion:
Setting intangibles aside for the moment (though not discounting their importance), isn't Cingrani's profile in some sense more suited for a bullpen role at the moment than Chapman's? Both seem to thrive in short appearances where they can rear back and let fly, both are lefties with easy deliveries. However, Chapman, IIRC, has a more established set of offspeed offerings than does Cingrani right now.
A lot of successful relievers end up making it with one dominant pitch and one other that is just good enough to keep hitters off balance. So let me ask you all this...
Would it be insane to wonder whether the Reds might some day actually make Cingrani the closer and move Chapman to the rotation?
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The Orioles and Dodgers knew something about how to maximize what they had and needed in the bullpen and it did not make them lose sight of what they could be as starters. Why can't Tony just be allowed to help the bullpen for one year......and then when Arroyo is gone ....move into the rotation the next.
To the other point -- the overwhelming majority of starting pitchers never throw a bullpen inning until they can't start any longer or are needed in an emergency one time (extra inning game, playoff game). There is a reason for that, I imagine.
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23 Years and Counting...
He comes in with speed, stuff, and an amped-up attitude. A power arm besides Chapman makes a world of difference. I don't watch the 8th now peeking out between fingers covering my eyes.
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I knew Cingrani would do well out of the 'pen.
I just think it limits his chances of developing his secondary stuff. He's not going to use anything but fastballs to get 3 hitters out.
In essence, it helps the Reds NOW, but stunts Cingrani's development for becoming a regular starting pitcher that needs more than 1 good pitch.
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However, I'm not worried about Cingrani being a reliever forever.
I know folks will point to Chapman, but my speculation is that Chapman fell in love with closing, had no interest/motivation in starting, and since there was a need for him in the pen (and 5 solid starters), they left him in the pen. Leake probably also made it almost impossible to bump Leake to the bullpen as well.
Now, there is a chance that Arroyo does stick around next year. He said he wants to come back, but said it will probably be hard for the Reds to pay him. There could be a scenerio where the Reds offer Arroyo the arbitration necessary to get a draft pick and he accepts (stuff like this has happened before)... There's also a chance that Marshall's injury is career ending (I really hope not).. so it's hard to say for sure.. but it seems Cingrani is still on the starter track.
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