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    Reds farm system overall

    I got all 4 minor league teams' stats on my favorites links, and used to like to check them out like once a week.

    Is it just me or does it seem like the Reds farm system has gone in the tank?

    Dayton - Stephenson, Travieso and Winker and that's pretty much it.
    Bakersfield - maybe Muhammad (reliever) and Selsky?
    Pensacola - Sharky Rogers
    Louisville - Hamilton
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    Re: Reds farm system overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I got all 4 minor league teams' stats on my favorites links, and used to like to check them out like once a week.

    Is it just me or does it seem like the Reds farm system has gone in the tank?

    Dayton - Stephenson, Travieso and Winker and that's pretty much it.
    Bakersfield - maybe Muhammad (reliever) and Selsky?
    Pensacola - Sharky Rogers
    Louisville - Hamilton
    Are you basing this off of their current stats only?

    There are some players that project decently but they are not putting up the numbers yet. Also, as a result of injuries Cingrani and Lutz are up with the Reds that should be on the farm now.

    I think any time you can list off multiple players in the minors for your team that not only project to contribute to the MLB team, but project to be very good (winker, travieso, hamilton, cingrani) to elite major leaguers (stephenson) the farm is not in the tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I think any time you can list off multiple players in the minors for your team that not only project to contribute to the MLB team, but project to be very good (winker, travieso, hamilton, cingrani) to elite major leaguers (stephenson) the farm is not in the tank.

    Every team has promising recent high draft picks in the low minors. That is why they were high draft picks. Stephenson, Cingrani and Hamilton are the only guys on that list that are stone-cold locks to be in every team's top 10 prospects list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Neh

    Every team has promising recent high draft picks in the low minors. That is why they were high draft picks. Stephenson, Cingrani and Hamilton are the only guys on that list that are stone-cold locks to be in every team's top 10 prospects list.
    I find it hard to believe someone has 10 better prospects than Jesse Winker, no matter how you choose to look at your prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I find it hard to believe someone has 10 better prospects than Jesse Winker, no matter how you choose to look at your prospects.
    I like Winker, but most scouts view him as a bad-bodied non-athlete who brings nothing to the table other than his bat. They aren't even sure if he can stick in LF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    I like Winker, but most scouts view him as a bad-bodied non-athlete who brings nothing to the table other than his bat. They aren't even sure if he can stick in LF.
    Are these the scouts from "Trouble with the.curve"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    I like Winker, but most scouts view him as a bad-bodied non-athlete who brings nothing to the table other than his bat. They aren't even sure if he can stick in LF.
    I have never seen anyone suggest he can't stick in left field.

    The guy was a top 50 pick in the entire draft. Scouts clearly weren't that concerned about his "non-athleteness".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I find it hard to believe someone has 10 better prospects than Jesse Winker, no matter how you choose to look at your prospects.
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    Based on team records, there sure doesn't seem to be a lot of talent down on the farm.

    28-41 Dayton
    29-41 Bakersfield
    25-43 Pensacola
    35-35 Louisville

    The only team that isn't flat-out awful is AAA Louisville, and that is mostly due to fringe AAAA veterans who are in their late 20s or 30s rather than the youngsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    28-41 Dayton
    29-41 Bakersfield
    25-43 Pensacola
    35-35 Louisville
    Maybe it is just me but this is about as meaningless as it gets with regards to looking at individual prospect talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Maybe it is just me but this is about as meaningless as it gets with regards to looking at individual prospect talent.
    The AAA record doesn't mean much (since every team loads up on old guys at AAA), but those other records certainly do. They indicate depth of talent.

    If the Reds farmhands are consistently getting walloped by other teams farmhands, that says something about their talent level. Talented teams generally win. Sure, there might a few good players scattered around those awful Reds farm clubs, but they are clearly fewer and farther between than they are for other clubs in the same league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    The AAA record doesn't mean much (since every team loads up on old guys at AAA), but those other records certainly do. They indicate depth of talent.

    If the Reds farmhands are consistently getting walloped by other teams farmhands, that says something about their talent level. Talented teams generally win. Sure, there might a few good players scattered around those awful Reds farm clubs, but they are clearly fewer and farther between than they are for other clubs in the same league.
    So, basically you expect any given ML farm team to have the majority of the players on the team be major league caliber?

    In my opinion if you have 10 major league prospects spread across your entire minor league organization you are sitting pretty (most likely with 10 legit prospects you are a top org in the league).

    Let's say an org has 10 legit prospects spread out between 5 teams equally. That would be 2 legit players on each team. 2 players are most likely not going to make a big difference in the win/loss department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    So, basically you expect any given ML farm team to have the majority of the players on the team be major league caliber?

    In my opinion if you have 10 major league prospects spread across your entire minor league organization you are sitting pretty (most likely with 10 legit prospects you are a top org in the league).

    Let's say an org has 10 legit prospects spread out between 5 teams equally. That would be 2 legit players on each team. 2 players are most likely not going to make a big difference in the win/loss department.
    There are a lot more 10 potential major leaguers in any given farm system. There might only be one or two guys who project as all-stars, but every system needs to have it's fair share of platoon players, situational relievers, defensive replacements, mopup/swing relievers, etc. You need enough guys with the potential to play in the majors to cover the ridiculous attrition rate of prospects. For every prospect that pans out, you are going to have half-a-dozen who don't.

    Teams don't stock their AA and low minors clubs with guys they don't think have any chance of helping their major league squad. They know that most of them will wash out, but every guy on the lower level teams is there because they think he has a chance of being useful in the majors. Not great. Just useful.

    Farm systems that produce major league talent are also generally successful in the win/loss column. Just look at the Reds farm system when Votto-Bruce-Cueto-Bailey were coming up, or when Dunn-Kearns-Encarnacion were coming up. Those guys all played on a number of very successful minor league teams, due in no small part to their own contributions. Take a look at any farm system that has produced a lot of major leaguers and you will see that there is a lot of winning going on. The fact that the AA/A+/A teams are all not just mediocre, but flat-out awful says something about the talent on those teams.

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    Re: Reds farm system overall

    System is pretty weak these days.

    One legitimate SP prospect.

    Hamilton -- could be electric if the bat comes along.

    One hitter -- Winker. (There's also Lutz, who I consider a legit prospect.)

    After that, some maybes. No starting SS or C prospects.

    Peaks and valleys. The system has been very fruitful lately. Now the trees are a little bare. Hopefully there are a couple players in this 2013 draft class and they can do better in Latin America than they have recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    System is pretty weak these days.

    One legitimate SP prospect.

    Hamilton -- could be electric if the bat comes along.

    One hitter -- Winker. (There's also Lutz, who I consider a legit prospect.)

    After that, some maybes. No starting SS or C prospects.

    Peaks and valleys. The system has been very fruitful lately. Now the trees are a little bare. Hopefully there are a couple players in this 2013 draft class and they can do better in Latin America than they have recently.
    Nick Traveioso is a very solid pitching prospect.

    I know his numbers don't show it, but I expect good things from Tanner Rahier.

    I also like Tucker Barnhart a lot as a catching prospect. I definitely think he has a solid shot of starting in the majors (albeit as a plattoon player).

    Chad Rogers has done a lot for his prospect stock this year and could be a solid back of the rotation guy in just a year or two.

    I'm not sure what has gotten into Daniel Corcino this year, but I'm not giving up on him after 57 innings.

    Sure, the Reds farm system is not at its peak, but that is because we have graduated a lot of talent and traded a lot of talent in the last few years. I think we will look back at the farm 5 years from now and see that we had quite a few big league players down on the farm in mid 2013. This isn't even counting the guys we just drafted who could make an impact.


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