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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    Vottomatic, I hope Ervin forces his way thru the system very quickly. That would be great.

    But for a hitter, a 10-20 game stretch just doesn't give you a good idea of where he is overall. Especially one that has just begun pro ball. Maybe he is just on a hot streak. Maybe the league will catch right back up to him. Maybe he is exactly this good.

    But, for a guy that just got drafted, you gotta give him a little time to show what he's made of.

    I'd rather a guy move quickly by skipping a level once or twice, rather than quickly promoting him based on a small sample of work. There is absolutely no reason to rush this guy. (In terms of jumping him up levels further/faster than he warrants)

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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    I'm on board with bumping him to Dayton if he continues to mash over the next couple weeks. IMO he should have started there in the first place.
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    Based on Bruce, Alonso, and Grandal, and even Stubbs for that matter.........seems like the pattern is obviously a shortened season of rookie ball for season 1. Then single A for season 2. But it sure appears that the Reds are willing to jump a guy a level or two if he shows he can handle it during the season. Some of these guys went from high A in their third season all the way to triple A. They certainly weren't shy in pushing Alonso and Grandal.
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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    I don't know a lot about baseball, and I'm not going to pretend to. However, I do think that I'm one of the only ones, if not the only one here who has seen Ervin play in person.

    He's good. Really good IMO. Has a great approach when he gets on base, a compact swing, and a stocky body. Watched him play in the OF, and he has great instincts when the ball is hit. Personally, I don't think he stays in Billings for very long. I'd like him to, selfishly, so that I can see him more, but I don't think he will. He's a decent amount better than everybody else there.

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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    Dude has 17 at bats in 4 games. Wow, that may be the smallest sample size in the history of statistics.

    Let me ask you this, if he started 0-17 would you be claiming he is a bum that will never amount to anything?

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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Dude has 17 at bats in 4 games. Wow, that may be the smallest sample size in the history of statistics.

    Let me ask you this, if he started 0-17 would you be claiming he is a bum that will never amount to anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Keep moving the goal posts in this argument to win it. Never fails.

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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Dude has 17 at bats in 4 games. Wow, that may be the smallest sample size in the history of statistics.

    Let me ask you this, if he started 0-17 would you be claiming he is a bum that will never amount to anything?
    To be fair, a lot of people thought he could/should be starting in Dayton.

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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    Nice to see this guy is absolutely tearing it up right now. Hope he can continue to and progresses quickly through the minors. Right now he's definitely looking like a steal at his draft position.

    Maybe the next Mike Trout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamz View Post
    Nice to see this guy is absolutely tearing it up right now. Hope he can continue to and progresses quickly through the minors. Right now he's definitely looking like a steal at his draft position.

    Maybe the next Mike Trout?
    I am happy that Ervin looks good so far in Billings. However, I'd caution that he is SUPPOSED to be crushing it there: remember even Chad Mottola had an .882 OPS in his debut season in Billings.

    The fact of the matter is impact college hitters drafted in the first round should likely be starting in full season ball. If they don't, they should be crushing the ball.

    Part of the reason I'm in favor of promoting Ervin to Billings if he continues to crush it over the next couple weeks is not because he's crushing it in such a small sample size, but rather the fact that he probably should have started in Dayton in the first place (as I have expressed in the past).
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    Re: Phillip Ervin 1st Pro Homer

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    I am happy that Ervin looks good so far in Billings. However, I'd caution that he is SUPPOSED to be crushing it there: remember even Chad Mottola had an .882 OPS in his debut season in Billings.
    To be fair, the new park in Billings is much more neutral than the old park in Billings. Billings is about the best pitchers park in the entire league. Still a tad hitter friendly overall compared to all minor league parks, but nowhere near what it once was.

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    Im glad to hear that we have college player killing it.......I'm more worried about what we thought we might have, in those that are still stuck in low A.....Gelalich..Mejas-Brean....these dudes should at the least be on AA radar. 3-4 years college players that are drafted in the first 3 rounds, that can't crack AA in year 2, need to find another day job, imho. Maybe they are slow learners, but they more than often, are left holding the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Nut View Post
    Im glad to hear that we have college player killing it.......I'm more worried about what we thought we might have, in those that are still stuck in low A.....Gelalich..Mejas-Brean....these dudes should at the least be on AA radar. 3-4 years college players that are drafted in the first 3 rounds, that can't crack AA in year 2, need to find another day job, imho. Maybe they are slow learners, but they more than often, are left holding the bag.
    That simply isn't how the Reds promote guys. It also is because the Reds typically start college players in Low-A for their first full season, unlike a lot of teams. And Mejias-Brean was an 8th rounder.

    Going back to 2006 here is where Top 3 round college hitters have finished (minimum 50 ABs):

    A: Stubbs, Frazier, Cozart,
    A+: Valaika, Lohman, LaMarre,
    AA: Alonso, Grandal
    AAA: None

    The Reds are a "slow promote" organization. It really takes an elite level prospect (Top 25 in all of baseball) to get a quick promotion schedule (Bruce, Alonso, Grandal). Couple that with how they set guys up with their first full season assignment and it just doesn't work that way often in the Reds system.

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    Ervin congratulated by Gabriel Rosa after his HR last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBTTReds View Post
    Ervin congratulated by Gabriel Rosa after his HR last night.
    Speaking of Gabriel Rosa, does he have a position anymore? I see he has only appeared in 2 games for Billings so far, both as a DH. While he has struggled mightily since getting drafted out of a Puerto Rico HS as a 2nd rounder in 2011, he still only turns 20 on Tuesday.

    3B (SMB, Rahier and Franklin) and CF (Arias, Ervin and Reynoso) are both pretty crowded in the lower minors. I wonder if he has the skills to try 2B? At 6'4", he would be the tallest 2B since, well, me...
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