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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

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    Then layer in guys like Kris Bryant, Javier Baez, Jorge Soler and Albert Almora.

    I am very concerned about how bright the Cubs future is beginning to look, especially if they can get some good arms to go along with Smardzjia and Wood.

    I'm starting to worry that the 2013 Cubs organization is starting to look like the 2007/2008 Reds.
    I know.

    From the outside looking in, they seem to be doing things the right way.

    Soler might end up being a total beast.
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    The Cubs will have a good inexpensive roster to go with their revenues, to supplement any needs. Scary stuff indeed.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    The Cubs will have a good inexpensive roster to go with their revenues, to supplement any needs. Scary stuff indeed.
    "We know we're better than this, but we can't prove it." - Tony Gwynn

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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

    Here are some of the guys I'd be targeting if I were Walt with 2 weeks to go. Some are a bit outside the box, some are not:

    Alex Rios, OF, White Sox - Much has already been mentioned on this thread. IMO he is the perfect fit for the next 18 months.

    Alejandro de Aza, OF, White Sox - Could be a nice, cheaper (and younger) consolation to Rios who can also play CF if/when Ludwick comes back and/or Hamilton isn't ready to start Opening Day next year.

    Alfonso Soriano, OF, Cubs - They're looking for minor league pitching and could likely pick up a large part of the $25M due to him over the next 18 months. Soriano crushes LHP and could be a great platoon partner for Paul, although I'm not sure what happens when Ludwick comes back. I'd love to get local kid James Russell in a deal as well, although I see this kind of deal as very unlikely. If the Cubs picked up Soriano's entire tab, I'd be willing to throw them any two pitchers in the system other than Stephenson and Travieso.

    Delino DeShields, Jr., 2B, Astros (minor leagues) - This one is clearly outside the box, and won't help the Reds in 2013, or probably 2014-2015. However, there is no clear heir to Brandon Phillips above Rookie Ball, and the jury is still obviously out on Zack Cozart's long term future. The Astros just re-signed 2B Jose Altuve to a longterm deal, and they're not looking for big league help now. I wonder if this could be an opportunity for the Reds to deal from a position of strength (like OF or possibly SP) in order to bring DeShields Jr. into DeShields Sr.'s organization. Maybe something like Travieso straight up? Or, because the Astros regime seems to be partial to quantity bounties, something like Rogers + one of Cisco/Romano + one of Y.Rodriguez/Lutz?

    MLBTR:
    In light of Altuve's extension, Brian T. Smith and Zachary Levine of the Houston Chronicle note that a position change is a possibility for top prospect Delino DeShields Jr., whose path to the Majors as a second baseman is now blocked. The No. 8 overall pick in the 2010 draft, DeShields is hitting .290/.388/.399 with 30 steals in 71 games this season at high Class A. Last season, he swiped 101 bases in 135 games. General manager Jeff Luhnow said for the time being, DeShields would finish the season as a second baseman.
    Again, certainly not a 2013 or 2014 issue, but might be interesting to move Phillips to 3B in 2015 for his final year or two if DeShields is ready to takeover 2B.
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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

    Hope the Pirates don't get Rios.

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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

    Pirates Targeting Rios; May Have Interest In Ramirez
    By Steve Adams [July 18, 2013 at 11:30pm CST]

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...n-ramirez.html


    I also noticed this little tidbit on mlbtraderumors:

    Reds: Outfielder Jesse Winker doesn't wow with his tools but he gets the most out of his abilities and is one of the safer bets in Cincinnati's system to have a big league career. The 19-year-old prospect has modest power and doesn't steal bases so he's going to have to hit for average to provide value as a hitter -- along with his willingness to take a free pass.
    They don't think as highly of Winker as we seem to.

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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    They don't think as highly of Winker as we seem to.
    I actually think that is a pretty fair assessment of Winker. Also, I really hate the idea of Rios in a Pirates uniform.

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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

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    They don't think as highly of Winker as we seem to.
    This is almost if not totally a universal disconnect between fan perception of minor league talent and unbiased perception. Welcome to fandom. Still, on occasion, fans are right.

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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Pirates Targeting Rios; May Have Interest In Ramirez
    By Steve Adams [July 18, 2013 at 11:30pm CST]

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...n-ramirez.html


    I also noticed this little tidbit on mlbtraderumors:



    They don't think as highly of Winker as we seem to.
    With 30XBH in 316 AB at age 19 I think they would be silly to write off his power potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadfordVA View Post
    With 30XBH in 316 AB at age 19 I think they would be silly to write off his power potential.
    In fairness they did say he has modest power, not that he lacks power.

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    Rios would be a dream acquisition, but the White Sox would need to pick-up money both in 2013 and in 2104 to get him. Maybe a package built around Travieso and Hoover could get him with lesser guys like Rogers and maybe Corcino involved to make it happen.
    All those guys plus Robinson for Rios and Lindstrom but the Sox would need to kick in $3 Million or so for this year and $8 or $9 Million for next year for it to be a realistic option.

    I think De Aza, for a package built around Hoover and some of those lesser arms is more likely and I'd be all for it. IMO, Hoover is the team's most tradeable guy that they can afford to deal, but even he will need to be replaced by some decent vet who can be had for spare parts.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

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    I think Winker's power will be fine by the time he grows-up. He's just 19 and already has extra base power.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread

    Ted Berg ‏@OGTedBerg 2h
    Hearing every player in baseball is available in the right deal but almost none are available in the wrong deal. #tigers #mets #cubs #braves
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I think Winker's power will be fine by the time he grows-up. He's just 19 and already has extra base power.
    Agree. I think he could become a .300/.400/.425 guy, with around 20 HR or so.
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    I was all for Soriano last year, but on a team that is a hacking group outside of Votto/Choo, I'm not sure I want a guy with a .288(!!!) OBP in the lineup. Plus he's a bad defender and expensive (although I'm sure the Cubs would eat some money).

    Don't see him as a fit this year.

    De Aza is an interesting canidate. He's cheap and as said he could buy Hamilton some more time next year. Even if Ludwick comes back completely healthy (doubtful) he would be a nice guy to have off the bench.
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