Apparently the Cards offered one of their minor league arms for Ramirez and were turned down.
If the CWS actually turned down Martinez for Ramirez, I would be shocked. Cards just sent down Martinez and brought back alphabet manWhite Sox Notes: Ramirez, Peavy, Crain
By Mark Polishuk [July 24, 2013 at 8:04am CST]
8:04am: Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets that the White Sox did not turn down Martinez for Ramirez, though he wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals are indeed interested in Chicago's shortstop.
12:29am: The White Sox have as many trade chips as any deadline seller in the majors and they're putting a high price tag on their key players. According to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune, the Sox recently turned down a trade offer from the Cardinals that would have sent shortstop Alexei Ramirez to St. Louis in exchange for right-hander Carlos Martinez, one of the many elite prospects in the Cards' minor league system. Gonzales said the deal was "involving" those two players, so it was likely not a one-for-one swap.
Carlos Martinez's most recent stint in the Majors didn't last long, as the Cardinals optioned their top-rated pitching prospect back to Triple-A Memphis on Thursday.
Left-hander Marc Rzepczynski was recalled to take his place.
Martinez, the Cardinals' Minor League Pitcher of the Month in June, pitched just 3 1/3 innings after being added to the big league roster on June 11. He struck out two and allowed three runs. He had posted a 1.98 ERA in eight starts with Memphis prior to his call-up.
Rzepczynski will give the Cardinals bullpen three southpaws. The 27-year-old began the season in the Majors and appeared in nine games, allowing seven runs over eight innings, before his demotion on April 29. He posted a 3.07 ERA in 32 relief appearances, spanning 44 innings, with Memphis.
Last edited by klw; 07-25-2013 at 03:04 PM.
Cingrani isn't as good as Peavy and Cozart isn't as good as Ramirez.
How much Peavy > Cingrani and Ramirez > Cozart is debatable, but neither are as good.
I'm not sure how much sense Peavy makes, but having the potential to run Cueto, Latos, Peavy, and Bailey at somebody in the playoffs is a fun thought.
Ramirez is OPSing .651 with more a .280 batting average and a .306 OBP. Cozart is OPSing .649 but only batting .243 with a .270 OBP. Still, his slugging has produced 11 more runs and 12 more RBI than Ramirez has this season. Again, I do believe Ramirez is the better hitter, but I'm not sure that sort of production is enough of an improvement to be worth the $10 M he's owed the next two years.
Peavy is, at this point, around a 4.0 pitcher both in terms of his ERA and FIP numbers. Yes, I like Cingrani's ability to match or exceed that production. And I like that he can do it for less than Peavy's $15 M.
Just my two cents. Who knows what Walt and co are thinking.
Ramirez hasn't hit better than Cozart the last year and a half, and he's not getting any better with age.
Peavy is injury prone, extremely expensive and not particularly good anymore. I'd rank him behind Cincy's top 6 starters.
Now I agree that everyone might have their own opinion on how good these players are. But their salaries make this trade beyond foolish for the Reds. The extra $24M in salary has to come from somewhere. We'd be better keeping Cingrani and Cozart and resigning Choo, among others.
If we're going to add the salary, I'd rather add Rios.
Peavy is good but superfluous at this point and Ramirez, while a slight upgrade IMO for this year and next, comes at too high of a cost.
I liked Peavy when he played for the Pads. He was a fiece competitor who gave it everything he had. However, he strikes me as a max effort pitcher whose best days are now behind him. With Arroyo in his last contract year, Bailey in his next to last, Latos the year after that, and Cueto's durability in some question, the last thing the Reds need to do is trade a good young pitcher for past performance, a high price tag and a short term contract they are not likely to want to extend.
IMO, the biggest difference maker for the Reds would be a bullpen arm. If Peavy would accept a move to the pen and his cost were not too high, I would consider that deal. In view of the salary being taken on, I certainly would not give up significant major league players or prospects. The possibility of such a trade seems unlikely to me.
If anything does happen it will be interesting to see how Walt derives an upgrade to this team.