In the long run it could be, but the Reds would be getting perhaps the best hitter in the history of baseball for the next few years.
Lets break it down:
Votto = elite (top 10 hitter in the game today)
Chapman = elite closer (did you read that fangraphs articles about how easily bullpen arms fall off the planet?)
Winker = good prospect at a low level
Hamilton = Stock is dropping, basically failing at AAA, can't teach speed though...
Ervin = at a very low level in the minors, may end up being a good major league player in 3-4 years
Cingrani = has seen success so far, but I see him as a late inning reliever, not a starter
Miguel Cabrera = top 5 hitter all time, may end up the best.
I regularly read a Tigers board (grew up in Toledo) and I remember when they made the trade for him. There were many posters freaking out about trading Maybin and Miller, saying they gave up too much. Maybin and Miller are now marginal major leaguers, neither of which play for the Marlins.
Last edited by RedTeamGo!; 07-17-2013 at 04:41 PM.
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
Wow, Miggy has a 201 OPS+ this year. That is insane. Imagine what he would do in GABP.
I would bet if you offered that trade to the Tigers they would say no and continue riding the Miggy train.
Giving up 2 young, inexpensive, and productive roster players, and 4 of the organization's best prospects in order to get somewhere between a .3-1 WAR upgrade at 1st base aint high on my lsit of priorities.
On the same token, would you give up Chaps, Stephenson, Cingrani, Hamilton, Ervin, and Winker in order to acquire Alfonso Soriano?
Because essentially that would have about the same effect to the Reds as upgrading from Votto to Cabrera. It really is that insane.
Last edited by Patrick Bateman; 07-17-2013 at 05:23 PM.
Teams (and especially the Reds in comparison to the dark years) are getting much better at converting prospects into big league players. Look at the Reds roster:
1. Chapman - prospect signed through minor league system
2. Bruce - Reds draft pick
3. Cozart - Reds draft pick
4. Frazier - Reds draft pick
5. Votto - Reds draft pick
6. Bailey - Reds draft pick
7. Cueto - Reds prospect signing
8. Cingrani - Reds draft pick
9. Leake - Reds draft pick
10. Hanigan/Mes - Reds draft picks
Where would the Reds be without these guys (I'll give you a hint, Houston Astros)? The top end prospects are the lifeline of a team like the Reds. Moving essentially all of them to fix, what, Votto?
Are you starting to see why this would be awful? There is another dimension out there where you were named GM of the Reds, converted the trade, fast forwarded through time, and then smacked yourself in the face as the Reds had to fold, while the Tigers continued to be playoff contenders for all of the years in between. You are now out of a job in that dimension and have no way of feeding your family (which in this dimension you have 15 kids). Do you really want to be responsible for that?? As you can see these proposals have serious ramifications.
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