Send dirty socks and a handful of Chris Heisey, Felix Perez, and Sharky Rogers types for Hunter Pence---Yes
Send actual prospects for Hunter Pence no.
Walt wanted him last year too. He is the classic pain in the butt player that the Reds need. They don't have one of those. Ludwick comes back, and the Reds have a RH power bat for the bench. Two positions upgraded.
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According to reports scouts have been saying his bat will not play at major league level. Usually a pretty bad sign.Originally Posted by reds44
I really like Pence as a target but not at the price point being discussed here. He'd be a great addition to our lineup, though.
Does Pence smoke? Because it won't be nearly as effective if he doesn't smoke.
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The articles I have read say the Giants would much rather sign Pence than trade him so it will take a big offer to get him. One of the Giants writers had an article that he thinks they may trade Pence only if they could get a starting pitcher for him.
I don't see the Reds giving up starting pitching to acquire Pence especially with Cueto's ongoing injury issues.
This is derailing the conversation.
But lets be fair. Hamilton is the type of guy scouts love to comment on. He seems like a all speed, no hit tool type. Low hanging fruit for scouts that like players that whack the ball out of the park. The truth is that Hamilton's skill set rely on him being a more polished player as he pushes from level to level.
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I like Pence for the stretch too. Sure, Ludwick has a chance to come back and do what Pence has been doing this year, but what are the chances of that? Pence is as sure a bet as anyone on the market to come in, make good contact, hit for a bit of power, play solid defense and bring positive energy to the clubhouse. He'd murder between Choo and Votto.
Of course, SF will be looking for a Zack Wheeler-like return for him (oops). I'd do Trevieso but even that's pushing it.
Giants are blowing smoke. And if they're not, it's their loss because no one is giving up a starter for Pence in a walk year.
Braves make a deal to shore up a weakness.
Ditto for the Tigers.
We'll see them both make the playoffs.
All quiet on the 3rd Place Reds Front though. Hmm.... Maybe they feel they are "strong enough as is."
I don't think so. Neither do the Dodgers.
"Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."
Sometimes I get the Mariners and Marlins confused.
OK, if you want to pivot to a different argument, let's take a look.
Amongst 2013 qualified NL SP, Homer is:
K/9: 9th (Latos 8th, Harvey 1st)
BB/9: 12th (Leake 11th, Arroyo 5th, Wainwright 1st)
HR/9: 15th (Chacin 1st)
Seems pretty top-15 to me.
Only if "capable of" means "ERA." To me, they say both what he's done and what he's likely to do going forward if you're looking at the last 200-ish IP.Peripherals tell me what Homer is potentially capable of
Depending on how one looks at the game logs they can tell you that.The game logs tell me what he's actually done so far this year.
He's either at the lower end of #2s or the upper end of #3s.
I don't look at it like this because run prevention is a team activity that is not solely in the hands of the pitcher.But I can look at the game logs. His no hitter was awesome.
The days that he gave up 4 or more runs were not good.
Except it's not.I'm not predicting future performance. I'm evaluating what he's actually done this year, and it's underwhelming given his peripherals.
Homer Bailey has been the Reds best SP so far this year. Mat Latos is close behind.In other words, I'm glad he's a Red. I want to keep him.
But he's somewhere between the #3 and #5 on this staff.
He's definitely not one of the top 20 guys in baseball.
He's been a top-10 SP in the NL this year. As has Latos.
Every stat, especially when not understood or misused is.WAR is flawed.
There's the rub. I totally agree that he would be a perfect addition, but you're not going to get Pence without giving up some major pieces. Not worth it, in my opinion.
I don't consider Trevieso/Winker as major pieces, at least not yet. Stephenson, Cingrani, Ervin and Hamilton are the major guys in my book, with the two pitchers being pretty much untouchable. Then Winker/Travieso. I like this team's chances this year, but they'll need a big LF bat to get past the Cardinals. Pence is the best rental available.
Pence has hit lefties hard this year. That is his main attraction. Reds need one of their righty bats to hit lefties real well.
Sorry to hear about this it seems to mean Reds really aren't counting on Ludwick. Pence is a starting player, no way this is for the bench.
I wouldn't give up Hamilton or Stephenson or Winker. Anyone else is possible IMO.
Travieso and Contreras?
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