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    Welsh on Dusty

    Last night when Thom was talking about Choo hitting like .130 against lefties Welsh said he couldn't set him against lefties because dusty is a players manager and that would hurt Choo with future contracts. Seriously?? Does Dusty really manage our team like this???

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Welsh was using conjecture. I would say Choo is out there against lefties because the alternatives are just as bad. He needs a better option before he is derided in this manner.
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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Welsh was using conjecture. I would say Choo is out there against lefties because the alternatives are just as bad. He needs a better option before he is derided in this manner.

    Robinson would hit better than that AND play far superior defense IMHO.

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Normally I wouldn't defend Dusty on something like this, but who is he supposed to use instead of Choo against lefties? The great Derrick Robinson? Chris Heisey who hasn't looked good and just now returned to the team?

    It's not like Dusty is passing up obvious options to start instead of Choo against lefties. We don't have enough right-handed hitters on this team after the Ludwick injury.

    Also, I've never seen a player completely take this team/city by storm for 1.5 months and then just completely fall off the map like Choo. He must be worn out.

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Normally I wouldn't defend Dusty on something like this, but who is he supposed to use instead of Choo against lefties?
    You use Choo, but you drop him down the bottom 3rd of the lineup VS lefties

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    I'll (hopefully) never be accused of being a Baker apologist, but Welsh is clearly not the brightest bulb in the tanning bed.
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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    I'll (hopefully) never be accused of being a Baker apologist, but Welsh is clearly not the brightest bulb in the tanning bed.
    What a ridiculous statement about the Creeper. Clearly, you've never seen Tech Talk.
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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redlegs View Post
    What a ridiculous statement about the Creeper. Clearly, you've never seen Tech Talk.
    FWIW I think it's possible to agree with both statements that Welch is the best of the reds broadcasting crew and that he's not the smartest guy in the tanning bed.
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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    You use Choo, but you drop him down the bottom 3rd of the lineup VS lefties
    Choo has an OBP over .300 vs LHP and a babip below .200. It's likely his numbers won't be as bad in the future and, as bad as they are, he is still finding his way on base.

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Choo has an OBP over .300 vs LHP and a babip below .200. It's likely his numbers won't be as bad in the future and, as bad as they are, he is still finding his way on base.
    .300 OB% belongs near the bottom....I guess unless you play SS or CF then OB% is moo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman92 View Post
    .300 OB% belongs near the bottom....I guess unless you play SS or CF then OB% is moo.
    Agreed, with the benefit of hindsight this time period of less than normal babip and less than career OBP may have been better placed lower in the order.

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    You use Choo, but you drop him down the bottom 3rd of the lineup VS lefties
    Problem with that is that you then have to elevate one of the bottom third hitters vs lefties.. Who are you going to move up? Cozart or Hannigan? (assuming Robinson leads off).
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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Weren't they talking about his spot in the order against Lefties, not him being replaced in the lineup?

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by mrherd05 View Post
    Last night when Thom was talking about Choo hitting like .130 against lefties Welsh said he couldn't set him against lefties because dusty is a players manager and that would hurt Choo with future contracts. Seriously?? Does Dusty really manage our team like this???
    Yes, he does manage our team like this. Guys have roles. He hates taking them out of their roles even if they stink in them against certain guys because he believes it will just destroy their confidence.

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    Re: Welsh on Dusty

    Choo's lifetime lefty/righty splits are dramatic, but not as dramatic as this year. There should be some improvement against lefties. Dusty has nobody else. To attribute this to Dusty's "hate" for taking people out of roles overlooks the absence of alternatives. It also overlooks the fact that Choo is a very accomplished player and few managers would platoon him.

    Dusty did drop Choo out of the leadoff spot against lefties. The probable implication of Choo's poor showing against lefties may be to prevent the Reds from offering him a big contract and possibly to hurt him a bit on the overall market.

    As noted in my stats thread today, Choo's BA is under .270, he isn't "hitting" that well overall. Much of his value comes from his OBP which continues to be very high.

    He's an unusual hitter in some respects, I'm a bit disappointed in his hitting, although he sure has a knack for getting on base.


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