Chris Davis

[Ironman92]

Sooner or later the common fan will learn what the statistics have shown for years now: the effects of steroids were dramatically overblown. Actually it will probably take decades for most fans to figure that out, mainly because they don't want to believe it. The whole "steroids were the reason" myth is so deeply ingrained in the public consciousness that it is a waste of time to even attempt to explain why it is wrong. People emotionally freak out when their sacred paradigm is challenged, even when it rather easily disproved.

Luis Gonzalez was strong!!!!!!














That 1 year.

[edabbs44]

30 Home Runs Before All-Star Break

Associated Press | June 30, 2009
Since 1961

2009-Albert Pujols, St. Louis, 30

2007-Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees, 30

2006-David Ortiz, Boston, 31

2006-Jim Thome, Chicago White Sox, 30

2003-Barry Bonds, San Francisco, 30

2001-Barry Bonds, San Francisco, 39

2001-Luis Gonzalez, Arizona, 35

2000-Mark McGwire, St. Louis, 30

1999-Sammy Sosa, Chicago Cubs, 32

1999-Jose Canseco, Tampa Bay, 31

1998-Mark McGwire, St. Louis, 37

1998-Ken Griffey Jr., Seattle, 35

1998-Sammy Sosa, Chicago Cubs, 33

1998-Greg Vaughn, San Diego, 30

1997-Mark McGwire, Oakland, 31

1997-Ken Griffey Jr., Seattle, 30

1996-Brady Anderson, Baltimore, 30

1994-Ken Griffey Jr., Seattle 33

1994-Matt Williams, San Francisco, 33

1994-Frank Thomas, Chicago White Sox, 32

1989-Kevin Mitchell, San Francisco, 31

1987-Mark McGwire, Oakland, 33

1976-Mike Schmidt, Philadelphia, 31

1976-Dave Kingman, New York Mets, 30

1973-Willie Stargell, Pittsburgh, 30

1971-Willie Stargell, Pittsburgh, 30

1969-Reggie Jackson, Oakland, 37

1969-Frank Howard, Washington, 34

1969-Willie McCovey, San Francisco, 30

1964-Harmon Killebrew, Minnesota, 30

1961-Roger Maris, New York Yankees, 33

[reds44]

Sooner or later the common fan will learn what the statistics have shown for years now: the effects of steroids were dramatically overblown. Actually it will probably take decades for most fans to figure that out, mainly because they don't want to believe it. The whole "steroids were the reason" myth is so deeply ingrained in the public consciousness that it is a waste of time to even attempt to explain why it is wrong. People emotionally freak out when their sacred paradigm is challenged, even when it rather easily disproved.

lol okay because before McGwire/Sosa went all nuts in 98 there had been TWO players in baseball history to hit 60 HRs and then Sosa went and did it 3 out of 4 years. And the top 6 single season HRs in baseball history happened by Bonds/McGwire/Sosa. Brady Anderson hit 50 as a 32 year old after never hitting more than 21. Bonds hitting 27 more HRs as a 36 year old than he ever had in his career.

Bonds hit .370 and .362 as a 37 and 39 year old. Had a 1.045 OPS as a 42 year old.

Totally overblown.

[5TimeWSChamps]

He's on those Brady Anderson 1-year steroids

[BluegrassRedleg]

Hey, I'm just common folk. But I'm striving to be at the table someday when everything is revealed. Hopefully I'm deemed worthy. If not, I'll be OK.

[Wonderful Monds]

Career mediocre player who is on a pace to hit 62 bombs and 50 plus doubles. Definite suspicion

Career player who's always hit for a lot of power and is now at his peak years

[Wonderful Monds]

Sooner or later the common fan will learn what the statistics have shown for years now: the effects of steroids were dramatically overblown. Actually it will probably take decades for most fans to figure that out, mainly because they don't want to believe it. The whole "steroids were the reason" myth is so deeply ingrained in the public consciousness that it is a waste of time to even attempt to explain why it is wrong. People emotionally freak out when their sacred paradigm is challenged, even when it rather easily disproved.

This is BS, though.

[Wonderful Monds]

lol okay because before McGwire/Sosa went all nuts in 98 there had been TWO players in baseball history to hit 60 HRs and then Sosa went and did it 3 out of 4 years. And the top 6 single season HRs in baseball history happened by Bonds/McGwire/Sosa. Brady Anderson hit 50 as a 32 year old after never hitting more than 21. Bonds hitting 27 more HRs as a 36 year old than he ever had in his career.

Bonds hit .370 and .362 as a 37 and 39 year old. Had a 1.045 OPS as a 42 year old.

Totally overblown.

SHEEPLE.

[Brutus]

Sooner or later the common fan will learn what the statistics have shown for years now: the effects of steroids were dramatically overblown. Actually it will probably take decades for most fans to figure that out, mainly because they don't want to believe it. The whole "steroids were the reason" myth is so deeply ingrained in the public consciousness that it is a waste of time to even attempt to explain why it is wrong. People emotionally freak out when their sacred paradigm is challenged, even when it rather easily disproved.

Except that it isn't easily disproved. In fact, it strongly is correlated that in the mid 90's through 2005, offense was up among an all-time high in baseball.

Not by coincidence, since testing was implemented in 2006, the offense has gone away. Really not rocket science to figure out.

[dougdirt]

Except that it isn't easily disproved. In fact, it strongly is correlated that in the mid 90's through 2005, offense was up among an all-time high in baseball.

Not by coincidence, since testing was implemented in 2006, the offense has gone away. Really not rocket science to figure out.

A few bigger stadiums has opened up in the 2000's as well. Petco, Safeco, Busch, PNC Park, Target Field. That certainly adds a bit too it as well. Combine it with better pitching and teams being more defensive minded (leading to lesser hitting players) and we are seeing some of the ramifications. There are certainly some explanations for why offense is down and it isn't automatically "STEROIDS".

[edabbs44]

A few bigger stadiums has opened up in the 2000's as well. Petco, Safeco, Busch, PNC Park, Target Field. That certainly adds a bit too it as well. Combine it with better pitching and teams being more defensive minded (leading to lesser hitting players) and we are seeing some of the ramifications. There are certainly some explanations for why offense is down and it isn't automatically "STEROIDS".

The error is starting the discussion with players like Sosa and McGwire and then moving towards trends across the entire league. Forget about the league, the stadiums and everything else. It isn't a coincidence that the guys breaking all the records have also been the same ones showing up in reports about using.

[kaldaniels]

A few bigger stadiums has opened up in the 2000's as well. Petco, Safeco, Busch, PNC Park, Target Field. That certainly adds a bit too it as well. Combine it with better pitching and teams being more defensive minded (leading to lesser hitting players) and we are seeing some of the ramifications. There are certainly some explanations for why offense is down and it isn't automatically "STEROIDS".

Absolutely. However, looking at the case studies, would Bonds, Sosa, and Mac have obliterated Maris without the use of steroids? I have seen some say yes, which I disagree with.

To act like the science is in on this one is a folly at best, and an insult at worst.

[Brutus]

A few bigger stadiums has opened up in the 2000's as well. Petco, Safeco, Busch, PNC Park, Target Field. That certainly adds a bit too it as well. Combine it with better pitching and teams being more defensive minded (leading to lesser hitting players) and we are seeing some of the ramifications. There are certainly some explanations for why offense is down and it isn't automatically "STEROIDS".

Three of the five places you mentioned have been open between 10 and 15 years. The decline in offense has primarily occurred the last five.

The bigger ballparks may have mitigated the explosion slightly, but it doesn't explain the clear downward trend since the implementation of testing.

[kaldaniels]

I enjoyed the first page of this thread where stats were used to show that Davis shouldn't automatically be a PED suspect. A question was respectfully raised, and reasonably answered as well as could be. No harm done. Of course things are headed in a wacky direction now...

[Brutus]

I enjoyed the first page of this thread where stats were used to show that Davis shouldn't automatically be a PED suspect. A question was respectfully raised, and reasonably answered as well as could be. No harm done. Of course things are headed in a wacky direction now...

The PEDS police have been on patrol 24/7 on this board recently. The slightest hint of someone raising suspicion about a player is met with stern finger pointing.