Chris Davis

[edabbs44]

I'm only saying I have the right to express my opinion -- that the conversation should not be going on given the evidence. My hope is to convince others of that as well.

I just don't get what the yield of this supposed "fruitful" conversation is supposed to be.

Beginning = Davis has 37 HR and might have done PEDs (according to wild speculation)

End = Davis has 37 HR and might have done PEDs (according to wild speculation)

Following on an earlier post from Brutus, Chris Davis currently has a .402 ISO. Since 1900, here are the names of the players who have had a full season of .400 ISO or better.

Ruth, Bonds, McGwire and Sosa.

If I could figure out a way to get 1st half numbers I would've done that. But even without it, I think that list is pretty illustrative.

Here's another...from 1950 to 1993, here's a list of players who had full seasons of .350 ISO or better:

1961 Mantle (.370)
1956 Mantle (.353)
1961 Maris (.351)

From 1994 to the present (including Chris Davis), there have been 22 seasons of .350 or better. Many of those seasons belong to individuals who have been speculated about, either wildly or non-wildly.

I'm not sure if questioning the performance in this day would constitute wild speculation, especially when we have a long history of seeing what the human body can achieve in the game of baseball. We have seen what PED usage can help someone achieve. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the two together and say "Hey, maybe something is going on here".

[westofyou]

Following on an earlier post from Brutus, Chris Davis currently has a .402 ISO. Since 1900, here are the names of the players who have had a full season of .400 ISO or better.

Ruth, Bonds, McGwire and Sosa.

If I could figure out a way to get 1st half numbers I would've done that. But even without it, I think that list is pretty illustrative.

Here's another...from 1950 to 1993, here's a list of players who had full seasons of .350 ISO or better:

1961 Mantle (.370)
1956 Mantle (.353)
1961 Maris (.351)

From 1994 to the present (including Chris Davis), there have been 22 seasons of .350 or better. Many of those seasons belong to individuals who have been speculated about, either wildly or non-wildly.

I'm not sure if questioning the performance in this day would constitute wild speculation, especially when we have a long history of seeing what the human body can achieve in the game of baseball. We have seen what PED usage can help someone achieve. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the two together and say "Hey, maybe something is going on here".

SEASON
1876-1993

ISOLATED POWER                YEAR     ISO    
1    Babe Ruth                1920     .472   
2    Babe Ruth                1921     .469   
3    Babe Ruth                1927     .417   
4    Lou Gehrig               1927     .392   
5    Babe Ruth                1928     .386   
6    Jimmie Foxx              1932     .385   
7    Babe Ruth                1930     .373   
8    Babe Ruth                1923     .372   
9    Mickey Mantle            1961     .370   
10   Hank Greenberg           1938     .369   
11   Hack Wilson              1930     .368   
12   Babe Ruth                1926     .366   
13   Babe Ruth                1924     .361   
14   Babe Ruth                1922     .357   
15   Jimmie Foxx              1938     .356   
16   Rogers Hornsby           1925     .353   
17   Mickey Mantle            1956     .353   
18   Babe Ruth                1929     .353   
19   Roger Maris              1961     .351

[westofyou]

SEASON
1876-1993

ISOLATED POWER                YEAR     ISO    
1    Babe Ruth                1920     .472   
2    Babe Ruth                1921     .469   
3    Babe Ruth                1927     .417   
4    Lou Gehrig               1927     .392   
5    Babe Ruth                1928     .386   
6    Jimmie Foxx              1932     .385   
7    Babe Ruth                1930     .373   
8    Babe Ruth                1923     .372   
9    Mickey Mantle            1961     .370   
10   Hank Greenberg           1938     .369   
11   Hack Wilson              1930     .368   
12   Babe Ruth                1926     .366   
13   Babe Ruth                1924     .361   
14   Babe Ruth                1922     .357   
15   Jimmie Foxx              1938     .356   
16   Rogers Hornsby           1925     .353   
17   Mickey Mantle            1956     .353   
18   Babe Ruth                1929     .353   
19   Roger Maris              1961     .351

While we are at it let's look at ISP vs the league

Steroid guys represented include the two most thought of and Sosa and Bagwell, the rest are Babe Ruth and friends.. and Kevin Mitchell?

ISOLATED POWER                YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Barry Bonds              2001     .364     .536     .171   
2    Babe Ruth                1920     .363     .472     .109   
3    Babe Ruth                1921     .347     .469     .121   
4    Mark McGwire             1998     .298     .454     .155   
5    Babe Ruth                1927     .298     .417     .118   
6    Barry Bonds              2004     .283     .450     .167   
7    Lou Gehrig               1927     .274     .392     .118   
8    Barry Bonds              2002     .272     .429     .157   
9    Babe Ruth                1928     .265     .386     .121   
10   Babe Ruth                1923     .261     .372     .111   
11   Jimmie Foxx              1932     .251     .385     .134   
12   Mark McGwire             1996     .251     .418     .168   
13   Mark McGwire             1999     .250     .418     .168   
14   Babe Ruth                1924     .250     .361     .111   
15   Babe Ruth                1926     .249     .366     .116   
16   Barry Bonds              2003     .245     .408     .162   
17   Babe Ruth                1919     .241     .336     .095   
18   Babe Ruth                1922     .239     .357     .118   
19   Sammy Sosa               2001     .238     .409     .171   
20   Babe Ruth                1930     .234     .373     .139   
21   Jeff Bagwell             1994     .227     .383     .155   
22   Hank Greenberg           1938     .226     .369     .142   
23   Rogers Hornsby           1925     .225     .353     .128   
24   Jimmie Foxx              1933     .224     .347     .124   
25   Babe Ruth                1929     .223     .353     .130   
26   Mickey Mantle            1961     .223     .370     .147   
27   Hank Aaron               1971     .221     .341     .121   
28   Kevin Mitchell           1989     .220     .344     .124   
29   Willie Stargell          1973     .219     .347     .128   
30   Mike Schmidt             1980     .217     .338     .120

[edabbs44]

SEASON
1876-1993

ISOLATED POWER                YEAR     ISO    
1    Babe Ruth                1920     .472   
2    Babe Ruth                1921     .469   
3    Babe Ruth                1927     .417   
4    Lou Gehrig               1927     .392   
5    Babe Ruth                1928     .386   
6    Jimmie Foxx              1932     .385   
7    Babe Ruth                1930     .373   
8    Babe Ruth                1923     .372   
9    Mickey Mantle            1961     .370   
10   Hank Greenberg           1938     .369   
11   Hack Wilson              1930     .368   
12   Babe Ruth                1926     .366   
13   Babe Ruth                1924     .361   
14   Babe Ruth                1922     .357   
15   Jimmie Foxx              1938     .356   
16   Rogers Hornsby           1925     .353   
17   Mickey Mantle            1956     .353   
18   Babe Ruth                1929     .353   
19   Roger Maris              1961     .351

Not sure what you are getting at here

[wolfboy]

I wonder if we'll ever get back to the time when an amazing feat didn't automatically lead to thoughts about pharmacology. I miss the days when baseball talk was about baseball.

[edabbs44]

While we are at it let's look at ISP vs the league

Steroid guys represented include the two most thought of and Sosa and Bagwell, the rest are Babe Ruth and friends.. and Kevin Mitchell?

ISOLATED POWER                YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Barry Bonds              2001     .364     .536     .171   
2    Babe Ruth                1920     .363     .472     .109   
3    Babe Ruth                1921     .347     .469     .121   
4    Mark McGwire             1998     .298     .454     .155   
5    Babe Ruth                1927     .298     .417     .118   
6    Barry Bonds              2004     .283     .450     .167   
7    Lou Gehrig               1927     .274     .392     .118   
8    Barry Bonds              2002     .272     .429     .157   
9    Babe Ruth                1928     .265     .386     .121   
10   Babe Ruth                1923     .261     .372     .111   
11   Jimmie Foxx              1932     .251     .385     .134   
12   Mark McGwire             1996     .251     .418     .168   
13   Mark McGwire             1999     .250     .418     .168   
14   Babe Ruth                1924     .250     .361     .111   
15   Babe Ruth                1926     .249     .366     .116   
16   Barry Bonds              2003     .245     .408     .162   
17   Babe Ruth                1919     .241     .336     .095   
18   Babe Ruth                1922     .239     .357     .118   
19   Sammy Sosa               2001     .238     .409     .171   
20   Babe Ruth                1930     .234     .373     .139   
21   Jeff Bagwell             1994     .227     .383     .155   
22   Hank Greenberg           1938     .226     .369     .142   
23   Rogers Hornsby           1925     .225     .353     .128   
24   Jimmie Foxx              1933     .224     .347     .124   
25   Babe Ruth                1929     .223     .353     .130   
26   Mickey Mantle            1961     .223     .370     .147   
27   Hank Aaron               1971     .221     .341     .121   
28   Kevin Mitchell           1989     .220     .344     .124   
29   Willie Stargell          1973     .219     .347     .128   
30   Mike Schmidt             1980     .217     .338     .120

Or here.

[edabbs44]

I wonder if we'll ever get back to the time when an amazing feat didn't automatically lead to thoughts about pharmacology. I miss the days when baseball talk was about baseball.

Sad, right? And it isn't just about baseball. It is all sports.

[westofyou]

Or here.

?

Anyway way more than 3 guys with a .350 ISP, but please continue on the rail you have chosen

[*BaseClogger*]

Not sure what you are getting at here

You conveniently used 1950 as your beginning point...

[edabbs44]

?

Anyway way more than 3 guys with a .350 ISP, but please continue on the rail you have chosen

Different periods of time.

[edabbs44]

You conveniently used 1950 as your beginning point...

Convenient would've been using 1939 to present (or .375 ISO), since that wouldn't have changed anything. Just picked 1950 randomly, actually. Same with .350.

[wolfboy]

Sad, right? And it isn't just about baseball. It is all sports.

I agree. It is about all sports, and it's very sad.

[westofyou]

Different periods of time.

Otherwise known as "Fudging the data"

Pretty weak to make ones point too.

The game is the game, it starts in 1876 as far as MLB goes and the stats are from all the years, not just the ones you conjure up in your echo chamber

[Brutus]

What I'm more interested in, and I may wind up doing the research myself, is how many guys have added 200 points to their ISO in a season over their career average, with at least 1,000 established at-bats. That is what I think might be the most telling.

I suspect that list would be comprised of counting on one hand.

[westofyou]

What I'm more interested in, and I may wind up doing the research myself, is how many guys have added 200 points to their ISO in a season over their career average, with at least 1,000 established at-bats. That is what I think might be the most telling.

I suspect that list would be comprised of counting on one hand.

Exactly, there is evidence that people do steroids and hit HRs there is evidence that people don't do steroids and hit HRs.

It's the evidence that all HRs equal steroids that is lacking and wrought with pitfalls