Me thinks there is a difference between scientific inquiry and openly speculating without a compelling reason that a fella is a cheater and his numbers are illegitimate .
Me thinks there is a difference between scientific inquiry and openly speculating without a compelling reason that a fella is a cheater and his numbers are illegitimate .
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The Operator (07-14-2013)
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Please explain what new discoveries could be made by proving that Davis or Molina used PEDs.
Right. None.
Now, if you want to start a thread to discuss more generally the science of PEDs, be my guest. It is just the unfounded attacks on innocent ball players I have a problem with.
Last edited by RedEye; 07-02-2013 at 08:45 PM.
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I don't know about mankind, but we have already been through a period when no one talked about players who might be using PED's, even when there were plenty of signs. I think we all know how that turned out. The only reason why we have the limited testing we have now in MLB is because fans refused to stand for it, and made a stink about it.
I would argue we have a duty to discuss when we think PED's might be used, in order to keep the pressure on MLB to continue with the testing, and hopefully improve on it.
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"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Hey man, you're the one who brought up the whole Galilean / Newtonian "new discoveries" line of inquiry.
All I'm trying to do is encourage people around here to not make simplistic arguments with no evidence that could be construed as personal attacks. Easier said than done, apparently.
Last edited by RedEye; 07-02-2013 at 09:33 PM.
I think you are overestimating our ability to do so. No PED is ever going to be confirmed via the sort of statistical "intrigue" folks are engaged in here.
I agree that MLB and the players probably need to be held accountable. But this is definitely not the way to go about it.
A morbidly obese man can wear a thong on a crowded beach. No harm, no foul, I guess, but that doesn't mean he's showing good taste.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
#32 for Davis tonight. His shortest of the year. 360 feet! Anyone happen to know who holds the record for the longest shortest HR in a season?
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