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    Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Been hot here so I was outside listening to the radio more than watching the game this weekend, lost of Jeff and Marty and I think I caught a constant message from them:

    What's important in baseball when you have a bat in your hands

    • RBI's - The reason god makes money to give to baseball players is spelled R B I and anyone who disagrees is pretty much an idiot... did you know Joey Votto has BLANK RBIs?? Did you know Chris Davis and Cabrea have BLANK more RBIs? Those guys know how to get it done, unlike the sabermetric inclined Votto.

    • Sacrifice Bunts - No one can do it, no one does it enough, no one doe sit like the old days, guys just don't appreciate it like they did in the past.

    • Sacrifice flies - Good lord man, do your job... make an out to get in a run, don't you know that that is what expected of you?

    Using that criteria I'm pretty sure that Marty's favorite ballplayer is in this group.


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    RBI                           YEAR     RBI      SAC      SF     
    1    Roberto Alomar           1999      120       12       13   
    2    Wally Joyner             1986      100       10       12   
    3    Kevin Elster             1996       99       16       11   
    4    Larry Hisle              1976       96       11        9   
    5    Roy Smalley              1979       95       15        9   
    6    Dwayne Murphy            1982       94       12        8   
    7    Brooks Robinson          1960       88       13        8   
    8    Brooks Robinson          1962       86       10       10   
    9    Willie Davis             1962       85       10        8   
    10   Vic Power                1960       84       14        7   
    T11  Johnny Logan             1955       83       16        7   
    T11  Ken Landreaux            1979       83       10        8   
    13   Brady Anderson           1992       80       10        9   
    T14  Craig Biggio             1995       77       11        7   
    T14  Roy Smalley              1978       77       23        7   
    16   Marco Scutaro            2012       74       10        9   
    T17  Angel Berroa             2003       73       13        8   
    T17  Melky Cabrera            2007       73       10        9   
    19   Juan Uribe               2005       71       11       10   
    20   Joe Cunningham           1962       70       10        8

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Angel Berroa is among everybody's favorite ballplayers.

    Thom is aboard the RBI train as well, I seriously thought we as a baseball society had advanced beyond using a clearly team dependent stat as a serious metric for an individual player.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Don't for get PDoc...he can't get over Votto only having ## rbi's.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Been hot here so I was outside listening to the radio more than watching the game this weekend, lost of Jeff and Marty and I think I caught a constant message from them:

    What's important in baseball when you have a bat in your hands

    • RBI's - The reason god makes money to give to baseball players is spelled R B I and anyone who disagrees is pretty much an idiot... did you know Joey Votto has BLANK RBIs?? Did you know Chris Davis and Cabrea have BLANK more RBIs? Those guys know how to get it done, unlike the sabermetric inclined Votto.

    • Sacrifice Bunts - No one can do it, no one does it enough, no one doe sit like the old days, guys just don't appreciate it like they did in the past.

    • Sacrifice flies - Good lord man, do your job... make an out to get in a run, don't you know that that is what expected of you?

    Using that criteria I'm pretty sure that Marty's favorite ballplayer is in this group.
    I love the bunt as well and hate the fact that so many players cannot do it. I am especially lost when an NL pitcher looks completely incompetent.

    Big fan of the sac fly here too. Isn't that what's expected? If not, what is?

    RBI will take of themselves if everyone does their job.

    Color me as foolish as Marty I guess.
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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    Big fan of the sac fly here too. Isn't that what's expected? If not, what is?
    Not making an out in order to score even more runs.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    Not making an out in order to score even more runs.
    Reminds of what I have to tell my clients about being fit. "If were that easy, everybody would do it."
    Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    Reminds of what I have to tell my clients about being fit. "If were that easy, everybody would do it."
    But no one is trying to make an out to score that run, nobody at all, it's a fallacy.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    But no one is trying to make an out to score that run, nobody at all, it's a fallacy.
    I don't follow. Teach me something.
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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    But no one is trying to make an out to score that run, nobody at all, it's a fallacy.
    Exactly. In that scenario, a sac fly is probably no better then the 3rd best outcome. Certainly it beats a strikeout/popout/lineout and of course a double play, but not as good as a base hit or a walk.

    Not saying hitting a sac fly is bad, just that it shouldn't be the hitter's goal.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    Reminds of what I have to tell my clients about being fit. "If were that easy, everybody would do it."
    So hitting a fly ball about 275 feet is just an easy thing to do when the other guy is being paid millions to get you out?

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    Not making an out in order to score even more runs.
    Well I don't think Marty or anyone else complains when a batter DOESN'T make an out in a sac fly situation. The complaint is about non-productive outs. Especially Ks.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    Especially Ks.
    Bingo. I do think there's something to making sure you're covering the whole strike zone with 2 strikes in that situation. Maybe choking up(though I don't know how much that helps.) But if a player goes down swinging, or hits a hard ground out or line out to an infielder.
    Dems the berries.

    But the problem is that when they do that, it just builds into a giant pile of times he "didn't get the job done" that get brought up the next time the player has the audacious idea to take a 3rd strike.

    The other fact that gets missed is in most situations a player will in fact "not get the job done." The expectation that he will get it done a majority of the time, much less every time he comes to the plate with a runner on 3rd and fewer than 2 outs is simply preposterous.
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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Long, late games with an early tee-time the next morning.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    Them stupid newfangled phones with pushbuttons that you can't really dial.

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    Re: Things Marty Loves to Complain about

    in a perfect world a guy would get a hit with a man on third and "keep the line moving" but as often as I've seen men left on 3rd with less than two outs I'll trade an out for a run...unless of course i'm down a bunch late

    as for these guys intentionally lifting balls into the outfield or grounding out the other way to move a runner along of course it's not easy but it's part of almost every batting practice...except for the middle of the order guys in a lot of cases

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