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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    His strikeouts might be up, but overall, he's having an up year I'd say. He's been much more consistent as a player this year, and he's been good about getting extra base hits. Now if only more of his homers could come with runners on instead of the solo shots, I'd be fairly content.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Jay Bruce is not a hacker. Brandon Phillips is a hacker.

    Jay Bruce struggles at times to make contact, but he generally doesn't chase pitches out of the zone. Guys that swing at everything (Phillips), are hackers.
    So was Yogi Berra--and he had quite a significant career.

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    Jay Bruce is really coming into his own. He's always frustrated me as a fan with his streaks but man he has really earned my respect this season. He's so much better in clutch situations now as well.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    I just want Bruce to improve the plate discipline and contact ability a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    I just want Bruce to improve the plate discipline and contact ability a little more.
    Really?
    I like Brandon Phillips and Jay Bruce, but if you think you have to start a thread about how one of the Reds best hitters needs to improve his plate discipline and contact ability, why start one about Bruce and not Phillips?
    Bruce leads the Reds in slugging percentage at .509 while Phillips is at .405.
    Bruce has an OBP of .327 to Phillips' .316.
    Bruce has an OPS of .836 to Phillips' .721.
    Bruce is 2nd in the NL in doubles with 30; Phillips has 18.
    Bruce is fifth in the NL in HRs with 21; Phillips has 12.
    Bruce is second in the NL in total bases with 208; Phillips has 154.
    Bruce leads Phillips in runs, 61-52, and in hits, 113-100.
    Bruce has a WAR score of 3.1; Phillips is 1.6.
    Phillips does lead Bruce in RBI, 81-71.
    I like them both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Really?
    I like Brandon Phillips and Jay Bruce, but if you think you have to start a thread about how one of the Reds best hitters needs to improve his plate discipline and contact ability, why start one about Bruce and not Phillips?
    Bruce leads the Reds in slugging percentage at .509 while Phillips is at .405.
    Bruce has an OBP of .327 to Phillips' .316.
    Bruce has an OPS of .836 to Phillips' .721.
    Bruce is 2nd in the NL in doubles with 30; Phillips has 18.
    Bruce is fifth in the NL in HRs with 21; Phillips has 12.
    Bruce is second in the NL in total bases with 208; Phillips has 154.
    Bruce leads Phillips in runs, 61-52, and in hits, 113-100.
    Bruce has a WAR score of 3.1; Phillips is 1.6.
    Phillips does lead Bruce in RBI, 81-71.
    I like them both.
    *O-Swing%(The percentage of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone)
    - Votto: 21.2%, Choo: 22.1%, Bruce: 29.9%, Phillips: 39.1%

    *Swing%(The overall percentage of pitches a batter swings at)
    - Choo: 39.6%, Votto: 41.2%, Bruce: 51.0%, Phillips: 53.6%

    *Contact%(The overall percentage of a batter makes contact with when swinging the bat)
    - Votto: 80.0%, Choo: 79.9%, Phillips: 79.0%, Bruce: 70.9%
    Last edited by junkhead; 07-26-2013 at 08:30 AM.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    I just want Bruce to improve the plate discipline and contact ability a little more.
    There are 2 players in all of baseball with at least 30 doubles and 20 home runs

    Chris Davis (if the season ended today he would be the AL MVP) and Jay Bruce.

    To continue questioning him shows ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    There are 2 players in all of baseball with at least 30 doubles and 20 home runs

    Chris Davis (if the season ended today he would be the AL MVP) and Jay Bruce.

    To continue questioning him shows ignorance.
    I agree. Unfortunately, some fans will never ever get over the idea that strikeouts make a player bad no matter how good his other stats are.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Jay Bruce is currently leading the NL in strikeouts; if he keeps up that lead all season he will be the league leader for the first time in his career. However Bruce will still be no Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle. The Babe and the Mick each lead his league in strikeouts five times. Imagine the threads they would start on RedsZone if the Reds had them now in their prime. Some here would probably want to trade them both for Ryan Braun.
    Oh Reggie Jackson also lead his league in strikeouts five times and Mike Schmidt was the league leader four times. Bums.
    Last edited by RedsBaron; 07-26-2013 at 10:12 AM.
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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    *O-Swing%(The percentage of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone)
    - Votto: 21.2%, Choo: 22.1%, Bruce: 29.9%, Phillips: 39.1%

    *Swing%(The overall percentage of pitches a batter swings at)
    - Choo: 39.6%, Votto: 41.2%, Bruce: 51.0%, Phillips: 53.6%

    *Contact%(The overall percentage of a batter makes contact with when swinging the bat)
    - Votto: 80.0%, Choo: 79.9%, Phillips: 79.0%, Bruce: 70.9%
    Bruce needs to make more contact, but his problem isn't from plate discipline.

    Brandon Phillips needs to swing at less garbage. Brandon Phillips has a higher average on baseballs he makes contact with both inside the strikezone and outside of the strikezone than Joey Votto does. So why is his average overall 60 points lower? Because he swings and makes weak contact with so much crap that is pulls down his overall average even when he is hitting .230 on pitches outside of the zone.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Wait. Until I read this thread, I had no idea Jay Bruce was streaky. What a revelation to find that he goes through times when he strikes out like he's Dave Kingman and others when he hits like he's a lefty Miguel Cabrera.

    Next, I'll find out Votto takes a lot of pitches.

    It's easy to get up and down with Jay's streaks. By the end of the season, he will have given the club what he always does. He's a lifetime .260 hitter with good power. At this point, he is what he has always been and always will be. There are a bunch of teams in the league who would love to have a guy who hits like he does and who can defend his position well.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Really?
    I like Brandon Phillips and Jay Bruce, but if you think you have to start a thread about how one of the Reds best hitters needs to improve his plate discipline and contact ability, why start one about Bruce and not Phillips?
    Bruce leads the Reds in slugging percentage at .509 while Phillips is at .405.
    Bruce has an OBP of .327 to Phillips' .316.
    Bruce has an OPS of .836 to Phillips' .721.
    Bruce is 2nd in the NL in doubles with 30; Phillips has 18.
    Bruce is fifth in the NL in HRs with 21; Phillips has 12.
    Bruce is second in the NL in total bases with 208; Phillips has 154.
    Bruce leads Phillips in runs, 61-52, and in hits, 113-100.
    Bruce has a WAR score of 3.1; Phillips is 1.6.
    Phillips does lead Bruce in RBI, 81-71.
    I like them both.
    The fact is Bruce would have more RBI if he batted cleanup instead of BP.
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    *The strikeout king in NL
    1. Dan Uggla 144
    2. Jay Bruce 141
    3. Pedro Alvarez 138
    4.Carlos Gonzalez 118
    Justin Upton 118

    It seems to be a three-way battle between Uggla, Bruce and Alvarez.

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    I think Bruce has options so we could send him to Louisville and bring back Robinson. That would be what the Reds need to win. NOT
    Reds fan since 1968 win or lose.

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    Re: Bruce a new strikeout machine | Votto & Choo on-base machines

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    *The strikeout king in NL
    1. Dan Uggla 144
    2. Jay Bruce 141
    3. Pedro Alvarez 138
    4.Carlos Gonzalez 118
    Justin Upton 118

    It seems to be a three-way battle between Uggla, Bruce and Alvarez.
    i think Alvarez takes it.


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