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    Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...-star-reserves

    Reds that got the nod:
    Joey Votto (starter)
    Shin-Soo Choo
    Todd Frazier
    Homer Bailey

    Reds that didn't:
    Brandon Phillips
    Mat Latos
    Mike Leake
    Aroldis Chapman

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Phillips get jobbed. Seriously...Carpenter and Scutaro? Brandon must really have po'd a lot of managers, players and writers in other cities.
    Frazier shows how Reds players can be more appreciated outside than inside Redsland. Reading comments on RZ you'd think he was worthless...
    Glad this isn't official because I thought a lot of the picks were off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Phillips get jobbed. Seriously...Carpenter and Scutaro? Brandon must really have po'd a lot of managers, players and writers in other cities.
    Frazier shows how Reds players can be more appreciated outside than inside Redsland. Reading comments on RZ you'd think he was worthless...
    Glad this isn't official because I thought a lot of the picks were off base.
    Why were they off base? Let's remember, every team needs at least one representative.

    Let's get to Phillips. He currently sits 2nd in WAR for second baseman at 1.9 (with Carpenter at 4.2!). Of course Daniel Murphy and Marco Scutaro are at 1.8 and 1.7 each. So at the very least, WAR suggests it is awfully close. Scutaro is the better hitter, Phillips the better defender. I would lean toward Phillips, but I do think it is close enough to say that Phillips certainly isn't being jobbed. If Matt Carpenter didn't make it, he would be getting jobbed.

    With Frazier, he is benefiting from a weak 3B class and UZR hating Ryan Zimmerman. Zimmerman has the worst UZR of all qualified third baseman. I would easily choose Zimmerman over Frazier. I don't even have to think about it.

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    "I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    Comments like this are what destroy sensible baseball discussion.
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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    Wow... get all Giovanni Maria Tolosani why don't cha?

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    And this sentiment embodies the possibility of sensible baseball discussion (or frankly any kind of sensible discussion)?

    Shenanigans (spritzing anti-troll spray in your direction).
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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    Is this a joke post?
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Is this a joke post?
    Not a joke at all. This thread evolved exactly how I expected. The same path most ORG threads take.

    Agreed?
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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    This is so out of whack, it's laughable. Sabremetrics has forever destroyed the possibility of sensible baseball discussion.
    I don't agree but I laughed out loud. I can see your frustration while typing that sentence. I think sabermetrics adds to the discussion, but sometimes it just adds more trees to observe in the forest.
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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    If it gets to the point where Todd Frazier and his season is all star caliber, they should just borrow one of the AL 3rd baseman. They have too many as is.

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Plus, three Cardinals!
    Sorry, I had to stop right there, with such glee shown for naming Cardinals.

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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    This is a perfect example of why WAR is great at the macro level and terrible at the micro level.

    Just an embarrassing article, really too many issues to discuss, imo.
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    Re: Beyond the Box Score All-Stars: Interesting Reds choices and non-choices

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    This is a perfect example of why WAR is great at the macro level and terrible at the micro level.

    Just an embarrassing article, really too many issues to discuss, imo.
    I am big on sabermetrics.

    WAR has it's purposes. Finality isn't one of them IMO. WAR is a nice guide to start the discussion for me.

    I really only looked at the Reds guys.

    I fully believe you can make a strong argument to include Homer Bailey on the All-Star team.

    Here is where he ranks in the National League:
    WAR: 5
    Innings: 10
    ERA: 29
    FIP: 5
    xFIP: 3
    K%: 7
    BB%: 14
    K/BB: 8
    WHIP: 11

    Outside of ERA, he is among the best pitchers in the league in nearly every other category.

    Would I put him on there roster? I honestly don't know. But he should be in the discussion.

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