That's not accurate and this isn't the first rodeo for this conversation.
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=42
BTW in 2008, the Reds defense was ranked 24th in the league (-32 runs) and it was ranked 4th in 2009 (+48 runs) for an improvement of 70 runs. I wonder how this impacted the only thing that matters for the Reds?
Last edited by jojo; 07-08-2013 at 12:09 AM.
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The term is "peripheral" -- meaning "not central". I don't think it actually refers to their partial nature. Rather, it refers to their status in the mainstream vocabulary of baseball, which is decidedly off the beaten path.
All statistics are partial, ERA included. You have chosen an arbitrary stat to run with "historically" here instead of focusing on what Homer's situation is this year.
Last edited by RedEye; 07-08-2013 at 12:15 AM.
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Arroyo's ERA+ as a Reds
You see a 20 point drop from 2007 to 2008, then a 20 point gain from 2008 to 2009. Otherwise pretty steady except for his first year and his injured year.2006 142
2007 109
2008 92
2009 110
2010 105
2011 78
2012 111
2013 115
If the defense helped him so much in 2009, why did it not hurt him in 2007?
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He had an era almost a full run worse in 2007 then his lucky year in 2006 despite being almost the same pitcher. His defense did not help him.
His 2007 just shows how lucky he was in 2006. It would seem that ERA isn't very good at illustrating what is most important i.e. a pitcher's ability to limit runs scored.
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