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    Re: All Star Game Selection Thread

    Oakland got snubbed big time, 1st place team with only 1 all star, they couldn't squeeze an A's reliever onto the final vote ballot?
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    Re: All Star Game Selection Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Chop had the inside track on a reserve slot until the last month IMO. Bruce staged a late mad dash but came up short.
    What are we talking about here, pork chop? Nice lamb chop with a little mint jelly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    What are we talking about here, pork chop? Nice lamb chop with a little mint jelly?
    Oops. Darn auto-correct!
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    The manager picks the final vote candidates?
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    Bruce is having his best year to date and deserves to go before Puig. I think you can make a strong case that he should go before McCutchen. McCutchen is right at .300 with less than 10 bombs. Surely he won't be asked to embarrass himself in the home run derby again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Choo had the inside track on a reserve slot until the last month IMO. Bruce staged a late mad dash but came up short.
    That's backwards, IMO. A late mad dash? What season are you watching? Bruce was bad in April, but has played at or near all-star caliber level ever since. Sure he's streaky, but his overall numbers definitely place him in the top echelon of NL outfielders. On the other hand, Choo played like an MVP the first three or four weeks of the season, but certainly hasn't been all-star caliber since. And his BA against lefties is about as bad as it gets. I'd like to have seen both selected, but Jay is more deserving, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemo14 View Post
    Bruce is having his best year to date and deserves to go before Puig. I think you can make a strong case that he should go before McCutchen. McCutchen is right at .300 with less than 10 bombs. Surely he won't be asked to embarrass himself in the home run derby again.
    Bruce does have a case, though I don't think he's having a better first half than some of his other years. Strikes me that he has actually now settled into his career norm at .830 OPS.

    McCutchen isn't as dominant as he was last year, but he's helped by the fact that he is the only bonafide star on the team with the best record in baseball. He's also got a slight lead on Bruce in OPS and plays a more demanding defensive role. So I have no problem with McCutch over The Boss, even though both are worthy.
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    Thrilled that Joey and Brandon are starting nods for the NL team and happy to see Aroldis get picked for the pitching staff. Bummed for Jay that he didn't get picked but that's all right. I'm sure he isn't going to lose any sleep over it as he now has four days off before the second half of the season. Any of Latos, Leake, or Bailey could have been named to the team as well but I'd rather see most of our pitching staff stay home and rest for those days. Go Reds!

    Edit: Forgot to say that I'm also thrilled for Travis Wood to be selected to his first All Star team and LOVE that there are FOUR Orioles going to the AS game this year. Very cool!
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    Re: All Star Game Selection Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Hunter Pence, 123 OPS+.
    Jay Bruce, 118 OPS+.
    Bruce leads Pence in HR, RBI, 2B, Hits, XBH, Runs, TB, SLG, and OPS. Even the two areas Bruce is supposedly weakest -- OBP and Walks -- he leads Pence in those also. Pence leads in SB with a whopping 13. Bruce is also better defensively. If one player can so clearly outplay another, yet trail in OPS+, how useful is that stat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    Bruce leads Pence in HR, RBI, 2B, Hits, XBH, Runs, TB, SLG, and OPS. Even the two areas Bruce is supposedly weakest -- OBP and Walks -- he leads Pence in those also. Pence leads in SB with a whopping 13. Bruce is also better defensively. If one player can so clearly outplay another, yet trail in OPS+, how useful is that stat?
    One player's home stadium is a hitters' paradise, the other plays in a pitchers' paradise, OPS+ attempts to adjust numbers including park effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    Bruce leads Pence in HR, RBI, 2B, Hits, XBH, Runs, TB, SLG, and OPS. Even the two areas Bruce is supposedly weakest -- OBP and Walks -- he leads Pence in those also. Pence leads in SB with a whopping 13. Bruce is also better defensively. If one player can so clearly outplay another, yet trail in OPS+, how useful is that stat?
    Because all ballparks don't have the same dimensions and that can drastically alter "production". Of course, in some places you need to score more runs to win and in others less runs because the overall scoring environment varies.

    OPS+ attempts to equalize OPS for all of the parks that a player spends time in. Playing in the West (in either league) that isn't also Colorado or Texas, you are going to spend a lot of time playing in very large ballparks that are very tough on hitters production.

    You don't have to adjust for those things if you don't want to. I do though because I think it matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    One player's home stadium is a hitters' paradise, the other plays in a pitchers' paradise, OPS+ attempts to adjust numbers including park effects.
    I understand how OPS+ works. My point is it shouldn't be such a factor that it places one player ahead of another player who has unquestionably outperformed him. Jay plays in a park that gives up more HR, but Pence plays in a park that allows for more triples, and probably doubles as well. It works both ways. A ballpark can account for some differences statistically, but it doesn't expain every statistical edge Bruce has over Pence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    I understand how OPS+ works. My point is it shouldn't be such a factor that it places one player ahead of another player who has unquestionably outperformed him. Jay plays in a park that gives up more HR, but Pence plays in a park that allows for more triples, and probably doubles as well. It works both ways. A ballpark can account for some differences statistically, but it doesn't expain every statistical edge Bruce has over Pence.
    It doesn't work both ways though. HR are directly tied to AVG/OBP/SLG/Runs/RBI. A home run has no chance of being caught. A home run that lands 2 rows deep here may be caught in San Francisco. If it is caught there, that hurts your average, on-base percentage and slugging (and thus OPS). A double there is going to be at least a double here. The ballpark could explain most of the edge Bruce has over Pence. Maybe it doesn't, maybe all of his home runs would have been home runs in San Francisco (we could really look it up if we wanted to, but I don't want to take the time to do it).

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    I am curious, doug, would you have Pence or Bruce on the final pick thing? If you had to choose one of them.

    I also find it interesting that Tulo comes off the DL and will play in an exhibition game that (sort of) counts for nothing. Esp. when your team is only 3.5 GB out of first place as of today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    I am curious, doug, would you have Pence or Bruce on the final pick thing? If you had to choose one of them.

    I also find it interesting that Tulo comes off the DL and will play in an exhibition game that (sort of) counts for nothing. Esp. when your team is only 3.5 GB out of first place as of today.
    I would pick Bruce, but I get picking Pence too.

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