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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    They are clearly trying to budget the pitchers for LTC...... this creates a void of good bench players they can sign, it seems.....because they cannot be this bad at what they sign for the bench lately.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Unlikely that they can now, for all the reasons Doug cites above. Still, I think it is kinda cool rooting for this franchise right now. Obviously, that's because they are winning, but also because they are doing it with mostly players they have developed themselves. I'd much rather see Homer and Jay grow up to win than to see a FA hired gun come in and win. Maybe I'm just weird that way...
    No, I completely agree with you on that. Signing someone who has already developed feels like cheating to me, if that makes sense. I guess my question should have been do players want to come here whether we have the money or not.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Again, sorry for being unclear. I'm not asking if we are going to change the way we build our team. I am just wondering if current ownership/management has built the brand back up enough to attract top level free agents.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    One problem with signing free agents right now is that too many teams are giving useful players ridiculous contracts, i.e. Jason Werth. Trying to sign these kinds of players is often ridiculously inefficient, particularly when compared to the cost of re-signing your own players or using your farm system to develop players who can be traded for need. Of course in order to do this, you have to know how to develop players, and thankfully the Reds have a guy in place in Buckley who does this well.

    Looking over this list there are some players, such as Bourn, who weren't ridiculously overpaid, though. More than I would have thought. Of course the Reds aren't going to pay 20 million plus per year for Hamilton or pay BJ Upton like he's a superstar, but they shouldn't. I'm happy with their current approach, and when I look at this list, maybe the chances of them signing a decent FA are greater than I thought.
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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    They are clearly trying to budget the pitchers for LTC...... this creates a void of good bench players they can sign, it seems.....because they cannot be this bad at what they sign for the bench lately.
    This is true, but think of what our bench would look like if Grandal, Didi, and Alonso weren't traded. There's a drought in the upper levels of the system now, but we have good, young players coming up fast who would be able to come in off the bench in after a couple of seasons...at least if they aren't traded away.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    This is true, but think of what our bench would look like if Grandal, Didi, and Alonso weren't traded. There's a drought in the upper levels of the system now, but we have good, young players coming up fast who would be able to come in off the bench in after a couple of seasons...at least if they aren't traded away.
    I am hoping they can develop their own bench players as well....since they have not been too good at signing them (Other than 2 years of Cairo and 1 year of Nix)

    I think Dusty prefers veterans on the bench though, that has not changed much at all.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    This is true, but think of what our bench would look like if Grandal, Didi, and Alonso weren't traded.
    If we still had those players we wouldn't have Latos and Choo. I'll take strong starters over a strong bench.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    If we still had those players we wouldn't have Latos and Choo. I'll take strong starters over a strong bench.
    I would as well but you can have both or at least Better.

    Cozart for example should not bat any high leverage situation after the 7th .....so unless Dusty has gone through his bench he should be PH for as many times as needed in almost any game.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    They are clearly trying to budget the pitchers for LTC...... this creates a void of good bench players they can sign, it seems.....because they cannot be this bad at what they sign for the bench lately.
    I think the Reds bench of Heisey, Paul, Hannahan, Izturis and Mes/Hanigan is ok.

    The problem comes when you have injuries, some of these guys start, and then Lutz and DRob join the team.

    Hannahan's career indicates that he will be ok with time. I'm not a Heisey fan but together with Paul they are ok from either side as reserve outfielders. Izturis is there for defense. The catching is pretty good.

    Not spectacular, but an ok bench.
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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    If we still had those players we wouldn't have Latos and Choo. I'll take strong starters over a strong bench.
    I know this, but was using it as an example. Trading away young depth is why the bench sucks. We hopefully won't have to do that with the next round of prospects coming up.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    But supplying trade fodder is one of the main purposes of the farm system. Think about it. Every 1B in the Reds' farm system knows that the chances of ever playing 1B in Cincy is minute. Votto will be a fixture there for a long time. Any 1B will probably be traded unless they can learn another position.

    The down side is that every GM in baseball knows that the Reds have Votto at 1B for the next so many years, and any 1B prospects the Reds might have that is blocked by Votto will be undervalued in a trade.
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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by KC2135 View Post
    Again, sorry for being unclear. I'm not asking if we are going to change the way we build our team. I am just wondering if current ownership/management has built the brand back up enough to attract top level free agents.
    I don't think Cincy will ever be a place where top free agents want to come to, then again most top free agents care more about how much someone is willing to pay them rather than location. If Bob would throw money around like the Yankees or Tigers for instance, yeah more top free agents would want to come to Cincy.
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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Well, they did sign Ludwick and Broxton as FA last year.
    And Ludwick the year before when he wasn't one of our guys.
    Parra was a FA.

    So I agree, the Reds can definitely attract FAs. They aren't likely to win big bidding wars though.
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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Well, they did sign Ludwick and Broxton as FA last year.
    And Ludwick the year before when he wasn't one of our guys.
    Parra was a FA.
    I would hardly call Ludwick's initial contract or Parra's signing this year a case of the team "attracting" free agents. Both were guys without jobs looking for work.

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    Re: Can the Reds attract free agents?

    Well if we can convince Francouer to sign then I think yes we can get anybody.
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