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    One simple fix that costs nothing

    Get the guy with a .265 OBP out of the 2 hole or quit pretending that you're trying to contend for a championship.

    Get the Taverases and Stubbs and Cozarts of the world out of the way of one of the best pure hitters of our generation and find someone -- ANYONE -- who will be on base more often.

    There's 2-3 major fixes that need to happen to put the Reds in legitimate contention, but this is the one that doesn't cost you anything but normal brain function. Why has it not happened?
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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Get the guy with a .265 OBP out of the 2 hole or quit pretending that you're trying to contend for a championship.

    Get the Taverases and Stubbs and Cozarts of the world out of the way of one of the best pure hitters of our generation and find someone -- ANYONE -- who will be on base more often.

    There's 2-3 major fixes that need to happen to put the Reds in legitimate contention, but this is the one that doesn't cost you anything but normal brain function. Why has it not happened?
    Dusty.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    boss hogg locked thread and infractions coming in 3..2..1..
    there's nothing like bowling a 300 game! 13 now and retired.


    Ricky henderson has a higher OBP than C. patterson and he's retired. C. Trent 6-14-2008

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    To answer your question the same way Doug did (just with more words), because Dusty has this notion that Cozart should bat 2nd.

    The real question is WHY does Dusty think Cozart should bat 2nd? I've never read any reason for this, has anyone else? I'm not comfortable saying "because he's stubborn." There must be some reason why Dusty thinks this is a good idea. I'm not saying his reason would make sense to anyone else, but he must have a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    To answer your question the same way Doug did (just with more words), because Dusty has this notion that Cozart should bat 2nd.

    The real question is WHY does Dusty think Cozart should bat 2nd? I've never read any reason for this, has anyone else? I'm not comfortable saying "because he's stubborn." There must be some reason why Dusty thinks this is a good idea. I'm not saying his reason would make sense to anyone else, but he must have a reason.
    It isn't just Dusty. But a lot of managers have it engrained in them that center fielders and shortstops bat at the top of the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It isn't just Dusty. But a lot of managers have it engrained in them that center fielders and shortstops bat at the top of the lineup.
    I agree that's part of it, but he's clearly shown that he is willing to mix it up (like when Izturis is in the game).

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    It gets old defending Dusty's "everybody plays better when they know their role" crap around here.

    - Cozart/Stubbs batting top of order
    - Catcher's bat 8th
    - Bullpen is used robotically
    - Chapman can only pitch 9th inning (and not more than 1 inning at a time)
    - Broxton is 8th inning regardless


    Cozart has 2nd worst OBP for all NL players with 250 plate appearances. His is legit probably the bottom 10 hitters in NL. We need him at SS as we've got no other options, but we need him hitting back of order for sure and should be pursuing better options at SS as we can. In the offseason or at deadline, I'd be looking to flip some fringe guys (Soto, Heisey, Hoover/Simon, etc..) for a mediocre SS. Cozart has some value with his glove and he is dirt cheap...but as his price tag goes up...he is turning into Drew Stubbs part II.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?
    Exactly. Who do we bat second? Hanigan? Heisey? Give me a break. I can understand Paul, but do you REALLY want three lefties batting in a row when two of them can't hit lefties? I don't. Dusty catches way too much heat on this one. If we had a viable option to bat second and he was still slotting Cozart there, I'd be a lot more upset. But I don't see it. And I'm not a fan of BP hitting second in this current lineup. Yes, Bruce could hit fourth. But who hits fifth? It would be a crap hitter, then we'd hear "OMG why is Dusty batting trash in a prime RBI spot!"

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?
    Put your four best hitters: Choo, Phillips, Votto, Bruce 1-4 in any order you choose. There's eventually going to be a L-L concern, but that isn't as big a factor in my mind than getting the .265 OBP guy out of the way. I don't mind putting Choo and Votto or Votto and Bruce back to back because Votto is going to be fine, either way.

    Personally, I'd like to see Choo, Votto, Phillips, Bruce, but people act like its written in the Constitution that Votto must hit third.
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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Put your four best hitters: Choo, Phillips, Votto, Bruce 1-4 in any order you choose. There's eventually going to be a L-L concern, but that isn't as big a factor in my mind than getting the .265 OBP guy out of the way. I don't mind putting Choo and Votto or Votto and Bruce back to back because Votto is going to be fine, either way.

    Personally, I'd like to see Choo, Votto, Phillips, Bruce, but people act like its written in the Constitution that Votto must hit third.
    I think this is worth a try. It wont happen tho. I just hate it when people complain and don't have a reasonable solution!

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    I think this is worth a try. It wont happen tho. I just hate it when people complain and don't have a reasonable solution!
    Any solution = more reasonable than Cozart.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Put your four best hitters: Choo, Phillips, Votto, Bruce 1-4 in any order you choose. There's eventually going to be a L-L concern, but that isn't as big a factor in my mind than getting the .265 OBP guy out of the way. I don't mind putting Choo and Votto or Votto and Bruce back to back because Votto is going to be fine, either way.

    Personally, I'd like to see Choo, Votto, Phillips, Bruce, but people act like its written in the Constitution that Votto must hit third.
    I would like this idea if the Reds had six good hitters. But with four (assuming you include Phillips, which is debatable) you might get a small upgrade -- but then the five through nine spots in the lineup would be pretty bad and all in a row.

    To me, the main point is that the front office decided to go with subs to replace Ludwick and have paid the price. As I've said before, great teams don't sit still when a key man is hurt early in the season. You find a way to get somebody.

    Other point is that Hanigan really can't hit at this point and Mesoraco has to play more. He had back spasms or he would have played one more game this weekend.

    Reds are going to have to make some changes next year. This group, particularly the RHH, aren't consistent bats.

    So change the batting order, sure, Cozart shouldn't hit second, but at least one more bat is needed and maybe more -- however you arrange the guys.
    Last edited by Kc61; 07-07-2013 at 08:30 PM.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?
    Choo
    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    Or put Frazier in the 4 hole if you can't get past another Dusty-ism of splitting up lefty vs. righties.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?
    We could have come up with any number of reasonable solutions by now, but they keep escaping us after doing what comes naturally in response to Baker's lineups....

    Everything is perfect, but there is a lot of room for improvement. --- Shunryu Suzuki-roshi


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