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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Someone needs to send Dusty to rehab to cure his L-R-L-R obsession.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It isn't just Dusty. But a lot of managers have it engrained in them that center fielders and shortstops bat at the top of the lineup.
    I agree that's part of it, but he's clearly shown that he is willing to mix it up (like when Izturis is in the game).

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Assuming Cozart was the greatest defensive shortstop of his time, he MIGHT be worthy of a starting spot on an MLB roster as a 8 hole (9 hole in AL) hitter. With his numbers, that's the only way you can justify him even being in the big leagues right now. And the thing is, he's not elite with the glove. I'd say he's very, very good, but nothing to justify the shortcomings with the bat on a contending team.

    I understand the Reds are a little depth-challenged at the highest level of their farm system right now, but if they had anyone close to being ready, would Cozart even be in Cincinnati right now, much less batting 2nd???
    Rounding third and heading for home...

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    NL average OBP for #2 hitters: .315

    Top 5 MLB teams in #2 OBP: combined 29 games under .500

    Bottom 5 MLB teams in #2 OBP: combined 2 games under .500

    Maybe it isn't as bad as it seems.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?
    We could have come up with any number of reasonable solutions by now, but they keep escaping us after doing what comes naturally in response to Baker's lineups....

    Everything is perfect, but there is a lot of room for improvement. --- Shunryu Suzuki-roshi

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Hamilton's Legs View Post
    hey! it's a brand new topic of discussion!
    ORG has been on life support for awhile now.
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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Brandon in slot two with Frazier in slot four

    Then we can complain about slot four during down times and a catcher/cozart/pitcher combo

    Lineup needs some more consistent abs almost everywhere

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    NL average OBP for #2 hitters: .315

    Top 5 MLB teams in #2 OBP: combined 29 games under .500

    Bottom 5 MLB teams in #2 OBP: combined 2 games under .500

    Maybe it isn't as bad as it seems.
    But what do their offenses rank? Preferably in OPS+ since it adjusts for parks. The teams record doesn't tell us much about what the #2 hitter is doing to the ability to score runs.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Brandon in slot two with Frazier in slot four
    That actually sounds like it could work.

    Shake things up a bit.
    Everything is perfect, but there is a lot of room for improvement. --- Shunryu Suzuki-roshi

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Choo
    Votto
    Bruce
    BP
    Frazier
    LF du juor
    Cozart
    Haniraco
    P
    "Bring on Rod Stupid!"

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Choo
    Votto
    Bruce
    BP
    Frazier
    LF du juor
    Cozart
    Haniraco
    P
    Would like to see that versus righties

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Put your four best hitters: Choo, Phillips, Votto, Bruce 1-4 in any order you choose. There's eventually going to be a L-L concern, but that isn't as big a factor in my mind than getting the .265 OBP guy out of the way. I don't mind putting Choo and Votto or Votto and Bruce back to back because Votto is going to be fine, either way.

    Personally, I'd like to see Choo, Votto, Phillips, Bruce, but people act like its written in the Constitution that Votto must hit third.
    I would like this idea if the Reds had six good hitters. But with four (assuming you include Phillips, which is debatable) you might get a small upgrade -- but then the five through nine spots in the lineup would be pretty bad and all in a row.

    To me, the main point is that the front office decided to go with subs to replace Ludwick and have paid the price. As I've said before, great teams don't sit still when a key man is hurt early in the season. You find a way to get somebody.

    Other point is that Hanigan really can't hit at this point and Mesoraco has to play more. He had back spasms or he would have played one more game this weekend.

    Reds are going to have to make some changes next year. This group, particularly the RHH, aren't consistent bats.

    So change the batting order, sure, Cozart shouldn't hit second, but at least one more bat is needed and maybe more -- however you arrange the guys.
    Last edited by Kc61; 07-07-2013 at 08:30 PM.

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    If your going to complain, whatnis your reasonable solution?
    Cut out the 2 hole altogether. In other words, you have Choo, BP, Votto, and Bruce in the top 4 spots. Seems so obvious....

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Choo
    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    2009 Attendance Record: 3-5
    2010 Attendance Record: 2-9
    2011 Attendance Record: 3-4
    2012 Attendance Record: 3-4
    2013 Attendance Record: 5-2

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    Re: One simple fix that costs nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by SirFelixCat View Post
    Cut out the 2 hole altogether. In other words, you have Choo, BP, Votto, and Bruce in the top 4 spots. Seems so obvious....
    If you think this is a slight upgrade, we have no disagreement.

    If you think this is a major upgrade, there's a disagreement.

    Philliips has a .735 OPS, below .600 the last thirty days.

    And what happens after Bruce is finished hitting? I guess the fans can take a long bathroom break because nobody very good will hit for the next couple of Reds innings.

    It's fine, but there is no true easy fix. The real fix is better right handed hitting on the ballclub.


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