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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
    Is Votto (GOD), beyond any criticism? So you have no problem that Joey never tries to break up a DP?
    If it prevents him from ripping up his knee I have no problem with it, this is a game not a movie... I'm sure he'd do it if the game depended on it.

    only 19 Reds have had season's with a .400 OB% and a slg% of .500, three of them are Votto, he'll do it again this year, let's at least acknowledge that he provides something very few players have for the Reds.

    RBIs? Only nine of them had more than 100 and Votto has two of those seasons

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    OPS                           YEAR     OPS      OBA      SLG    
    1    Kevin Mitchell           1994    1.110     .429     .681   
    2    Ted Kluszewski           1954    1.049     .407     .642   
    3    Frank Robinson           1962    1.045     .421     .624   
    4    Joey Votto               2010    1.024     .424     .600   
    5    Joe Morgan               1976    1.020     .444     .576   
    6    Frank Robinson           1961    1.015     .404     .611   
    7    Frank Robinson           1960    1.002     .407     .595   
    8    Harry Heilmann           1930     .993     .416     .577   
    9    Tony Perez               1970     .990     .401     .589   
    10   Cy Seymour               1905     .988     .429     .559   
    11   Joey Votto               2009     .981     .414     .567   
    12   Barry Larkin             1996     .977     .410     .567   
    13   Joe Morgan               1975     .974     .466     .508   
    14   Joey Votto               2011     .947     .416     .531   
    15   Bug Holliday             1894     .942     .420     .523   
    16   Pete Rose                1969     .940     .428     .512   
    17   Edd Roush                1923     .938     .406     .531   
    18   Mike Donlin              1903     .936     .420     .516   
    19   Ival Goodman             1939     .916     .401     .515

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    If it prevents him from ripping up his knee I have no problem with it, this is a game not a movie... I'm sure he'd do it if the game depended on it.

    only 19 Reds have had season's with a .400 OB% and a slg% of .500, three of them are Votto, he'll do it again this year, let's at least acknowledge that he provides something very few players have for the Reds.

    RBIs? Only nine of them had more than 100 and Votto has two of those seasons

    Code:
    OPS                           YEAR     OPS      OBA      SLG    
    1    Kevin Mitchell           1994    1.110     .429     .681   
    2    Ted Kluszewski           1954    1.049     .407     .642   
    3    Frank Robinson           1962    1.045     .421     .624   
    4    Joey Votto               2010    1.024     .424     .600   
    5    Joe Morgan               1976    1.020     .444     .576   
    6    Frank Robinson           1961    1.015     .404     .611   
    7    Frank Robinson           1960    1.002     .407     .595   
    8    Harry Heilmann           1930     .993     .416     .577   
    9    Tony Perez               1970     .990     .401     .589   
    10   Cy Seymour               1905     .988     .429     .559   
    11   Joey Votto               2009     .981     .414     .567   
    12   Barry Larkin             1996     .977     .410     .567   
    13   Joe Morgan               1975     .974     .466     .508   
    14   Joey Votto               2011     .947     .416     .531   
    15   Bug Holliday             1894     .942     .420     .523   
    16   Pete Rose                1969     .940     .428     .512   
    17   Edd Roush                1923     .938     .406     .531   
    18   Mike Donlin              1903     .936     .420     .516   
    19   Ival Goodman             1939     .916     .401     .515
    I'm talking this year! I said he is one of the best hitters in all of baseball.
    Sliding correctly is not going to rip your knee up, and how do you know when "the game depends on it"?

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
    I'm talking this year! I said he is one of the best hitters in all of baseball.
    Sliding correctly is not going to rip your knee up, and how do you know when "the game depends on it"?
    When someone starts a thread on it?

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Garbage post, 0/10, F--
    If I did not call him a Wuss, would I at least get a C? Because everything else was factual.

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    I do hope the SS coming across never decides to plunk him high as he's in the way when he doesn't slide.

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
    Really, worthless stat these day for some fans.
    What about hits with RISP?
    I guess that doesn't matter either because it could result in a "worthless" RBI.
    RBI in themselves aren't worthless at all. They are, however, a byproduct. Too many outside factors go into it on the player level.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    I'm a transplant to Cincinnati, so I can't pretend to understand the culture like a native. So can someone please explain the Cincinnati tendency to rip on our best player?

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    I'm a transplant to Cincinnati, so I can't pretend to understand the culture like a native. So can someone please explain the Cincinnati tendency to rip on our best player?
    It's the RBI (Really Bogus Indicator) The Reds have had 599 players get 400 AB's in a season and only 51 have had 100 RBI's (a whole 8.5%)

    It clouds peoples thinking

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    They put the player on a pedestal and when he fails to singlehandedly overcome every team disappointment or weakness, they are royally betrayed and deeply hurt, and they begin destroying. Which is ironic considering one of their main defenses is "I guess Joey Votto is God and untouchable since we aren't allowed to criticize his mistakes!"
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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    I'm a transplant to Cincinnati, so I can't pretend to understand the culture like a native. So can someone please explain the Cincinnati tendency to rip on our best player?
    Ignorance of a vocal minority. Plain and simple.

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    Ignorance of a vocal minority. Plain and simple.
    No it's the very knowledgeable minority that can see that a certain player is falling short in some aspects of their game.

    Really reds1869, you think only Cincy fans criticize their "Superstar" players... Now that's pretty funny.

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Hey Falcon, show me where you raved on Votto being the best in baseball last season in terms of moving runners along, and I just might give you an ounce of credibility.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/community/w...ader-for-2012/

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
    No it's the very knowledgeable minority that can see that a certain player is falling short in some aspects of their game.

    Really reds1869, you think only Cincy fans criticize their "Superstar" players... Now that's pretty funny.
    Well, I've lived in another major league city and spent extended spells in several others. They didn't have the same tendency we have here to bash their stars. They criticized players, yes; but not the way we do here. One of the cities I'm referring to is Boston, certainly not a place known for being easy on players.

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Hey Falcon, show me where you raved on Votto being the best in baseball last season in terms of moving runners along, and I just might give you an ounce of credibility.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/community/w...ader-for-2012/
    I'm talking about what he is doing/not doing this YEAR, 2013!

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    Re: 7/11/13 Reds at Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon7 View Post
    I'm talking about what he is doing/not doing this YEAR, 2013!
    I know. But when you come in here chirping about Votto only during the tough times, it shows your true colors. Jumping on a guy when he is "down".

    The fact that apparently you were nowhere to be found on this issue last year (if so please show me) is critical to put your take in perspective.


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