Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 14 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 210

Thread: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

  1. #1
    Member OnBaseMachine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    34,844

    Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Excellent news. That .261 OBP sandwiched between our two best hitters sure is working out. Walt did a great job of Dusty proofing the CF/lead off spot but Dusty has still found a way to stick his worst hitter in the No. 2 spot.

    But Reds manager Dusty Baker has no plans on dropping Cozart in the order.

    “I already had him down in the order,” Baker said. “I had down in the seventh hole probably half the time.”

    Actually, Thursday was the 63rd time Cozart hit second. He’s hit seventh 17 times, eighth twice and ninth once.

    Cozart has been better in the two spot (.253/.280/.370) than the seven spot (.150/.179/.333)

    “You’ve got to learn some kind of way,” Baker said. “Someday, he’s going to be an excellent second hitter. We’re teaching guys how to hit at the big league level. There’s a difference between swinging and hitting.”
    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...the-no-2-spot/
    Last edited by OnBaseMachine; 07-11-2013 at 06:16 PM.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member NebraskaRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Lincoln, NE
    Posts
    1,408

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    I'm not a fan of Cozart hitting second, but it's clearly going to be the case going forward. It'll be interesting when/if Ludwick comes back to see if Cozart stays there or not.

  4. #3
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,447

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    I am going to go put my head in a doorway and slam the door shut. Be back in a minute.

  5. Likes:

    Always Red (07-11-2013), AtomicDumpling (07-12-2013), Billy Hamilton's Legs (07-11-2013), bubbachunk (07-11-2013), CesarGeronimo (07-11-2013), Cyclone792 (07-12-2013), joshua (07-11-2013), kbrake (07-11-2013), Larkin Fan (07-11-2013), mbgrayson (07-12-2013), Nasty_Boy (07-11-2013), Raisor (07-11-2013), Red Raindog (07-12-2013), RedEye (07-11-2013), RichRed (07-11-2013), smixsell (07-11-2013), Tom Servo (07-11-2013), Wonderful Monds (07-11-2013), WVRedsFan (07-11-2013)

  6. #4
    Member cumberlandreds's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Sterling VA
    Posts
    9,306

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Send Cozart to Louisville if he needs teaching. Find someone who is ready to hit at the big league level. As long as Cozart or anyone else with an OBP of .260 is batting 2nd this offense is going to struggle. That should be elementary.
    Reds Fan Since 1971

  7. Likes:

    armybrat45103 (07-11-2013), joshua (07-11-2013)

  8. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    All around
    Posts
    7,578

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Can't believe nobody has touched, "there's a difference between swinging and hitting".

  9. #6
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,447

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Can't believe nobody has touched, "there's a difference between swinging and hitting".
    I will.

    Dusty actually said something right in that article. That might have been the only thing he said that was right.

  10. Likes:

    Nasty_Boy (07-11-2013)

  11. #7
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,297

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    On the plus side, a better bat won't be asked to sacrifice an out to move Choo over in order to draw the IBB for Votto.

  12. Likes:

    Billy Hamilton's Legs (07-11-2013), Hubba (07-12-2013), Redeyecat (07-11-2013)

  13. #8
    Member NebraskaRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Lincoln, NE
    Posts
    1,408

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I will.

    Dusty actually said something right in that article. That might have been the only thing he said that was right.
    He also said "Every year is different" which is true. We don't magically repeat years.

    And "You can't hit everyone down in the order" which is a numeric fact.

  14. Likes:

    Benihana (07-12-2013)

  15. #9
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,029

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Someday Cozart might be a good #2 hitter. But we're trying to win a championship today. Yes, you can't bat everybody down in the order. But you know who should bat down in the order? YOUR WORST HITTER.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, this is what a player's manager sounds like: Interests of individual player's career > Interests of the club.

    Batting 7th or 8th would not prevent Cozart from learning how to be a good hitter. The fact that he's willing to sacrifice the team's ability to score runs because he thinks it creates a marginally better learning opportunity is crazy. And when you think about Dusty's usual stuff around having to prove your self and make the most of your opportunities, this is all the more frustrating.

    Someday I hope we have a manager who doesn't think spots in the batting order are special positions that players have to learn.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  16. Likes:

    AtomicDumpling (07-12-2013), Boss-Hog (07-12-2013), CesarGeronimo (07-11-2013), cincinnati chili (07-12-2013), dougdirt (07-11-2013), Falcon7 (07-12-2013), Nasty_Boy (07-11-2013), OC_Red (07-11-2013), Razor Shines (07-11-2013), Wonderful Monds (07-11-2013)

  17. #10
    Worst Behavior. reds44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    25,403

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    People are reading way too much into this. Yes, him batting 2nd is bad enough in itself, but don't read too much into the actual quotes.

    He has pinch hit for Cozart in big spots late in games. He said "he already tried him lower in the order" and "you can't hit everyone low in the order."

    If he's going to bat him 2nd, of course he is going to talk him up and try to give him confidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

  18. Likes:

    Hubba (07-12-2013)

  19. #11
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,447

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    People are reading way too much into this. Yes, him batting 2nd is bad enough in itself, but don't read too much into the actual quotes.

    He has pinch hit for Cozart in big spots late in games. He said "he already tried him lower in the order" and "you can't hit everyone low in the order."

    If he's going to bat him 2nd, of course he is going to talk him up and try to give him confidence.
    Zack Cozart doesn't need confidence. That isn't why he can't hit. He can't hit because he can't hit. The guy turns 28 years old in a month. He isn't going to figure something out. There won't be an "aha!" moment. He has never really hit, scouts never expected him to hit.

  20. Likes:

    CesarGeronimo (07-11-2013), dfs (07-11-2013), nmculbreth (07-11-2013)

  21. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    1,378

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    LOL, good to know we are paying to support MLB Instructional school.

  22. #13
    Member tomnuetten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Freiburg (Germany)
    Posts
    1,218

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    yeah and some other news, water is wet...

    did anyone suspected something different?! the problem is that even if he wants to put another guy in the #2 hole there is nobody that would fit

    and hes not going to hit votto #2
    and he wont put phillips in 2nd => there is not much he can choose

  23. Likes:

    Hubba (07-12-2013)

  24. #14
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,828

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Awesome a thread on Cozart batting number two!!


  25. Likes:

    Big Klu (07-12-2013), dubc47834 (07-11-2013), TRF (07-15-2013), WVRedsFan (07-12-2013)

  26. #15
    Pimpin...literally!!! dubc47834's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Terre Haute, In
    Posts
    1,483

    Re: Dusty plans to stick with Cozart in the No. 2 spot

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Someday Cozart might be a good #2 hitter. But we're trying to win a championship today. Yes, you can't bat everybody down in the order. But you know who should bat down in the order? YOUR WORST HITTER.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, this is what a player's manager sounds like: Interests of individual player's career > Interests of the club.

    Batting 7th or 8th would not prevent Cozart from learning how to be a good hitter. The fact that he's willing to sacrifice the team's ability to score runs because he thinks it creates a marginally better learning opportunity is crazy. And when you think about Dusty's usual stuff around having to prove your self and make the most of your opportunities, this is all the more frustrating.

    Someday I hope we have a manager who doesn't think spots in the batting order are special positions that players have to learn.
    Really dude, it took you hearing Dusty say this to finally realize that Cozart was gonna stay in the 2 hole? It doesn't matter whether you like Dusty or not, everyone knows Cozart is probably gonna bat second! I don't think any of these comments should come as a surprise.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25